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[Sew109]

Originally Posted by legallyblonde

I don’t think you are comparing apples with apples here though in terms of the level of job. I certainly don’t work 9-5 and most people of that level won’t either. I suppose just like people have mis-conceptions about teachers (which you have righted here in this discussion), teachers also probably have mis-conceptions about other careers. Everyone always thinks the grass is greener I suppose!

Posiesmum - yes, I think that reward surely makes it all worthwhile.

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In my post it clearly states that my sister used to be a Sales manager, one of my cousins works as a DBA now my sister in law used to be an HR manger they all think being a teacher is tougher than their work in the private sector. Please don’t think that they don’t prefer teaching the satisfaction they get is far greater.

Can I ask what you do for a living ?

[legallyblonde]

Originally Posted by Sew109

In my post it clearly states that my sister used to be a Sales manager, one of my cousins works as a DBA now my sister in law used to be an HR manger they all think being a teacher is tougher than their work in the private sector. Please don’t think that they don’t prefer teaching the satisfaction they get is far greater.

Can I ask what you do for a living ?

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I was referring to May’s post about the comparison with hours.

I think you can probably guess what I do for a living. 😬

[may]

Originally Posted by orlandonewbie

The problem with that comparison is that it compares one person’s basic/minimum hours with another’s real hours, including all extras. That isn’t realistic or fair.

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I suppose the problem is that what is listed in the nominal teacher's 50 hours doesn't include 'extras' What could be taken out? It is honestly broadly what is needed to run a modern primary classroom. 'Extras' are listed below and uncounted. This comparison is a few years old. I have noticed that his extras figures don't include my personal demon, data collation (shudders).

The nominal person on 37.5 hours may do compulsory, unpaid work on a regular basis but they would need to do about 12.5 hours of that a week, about 1.5 extra working days to equal the teachers pretty basic 50.

I know it's counter intuitive, it doesn't fit with the general picture but it is very broadly the truth.

[MrFish]

When I come home from work my work has ended, unlike my wife who is a teacher. I have never seen anybody work so hard and be so consumed by a job outside of 'working hours'. Some days she hardly gets time to eat or drink during the day. The amount of work she is expected to do is ridiculous, it actually stresses me out watching her do it at home.

I have worked in various cushy public sector roles all my life but not all public sector roles are equal. Teachers are way overworked compared to the average public sector worker.

Luckily she has moved to part time now which allows me to take the kids out of school for a few days every year at the end of holidays, saving me some serious money.

[Hooray4Disney]

Originally Posted by Sew109

In my post it clearly states that my sister used to be a Sales manager, one of my cousins works as a DBA now my sister in law used to be an HR manger they all think being a teacher is tougher than their work in the private sector. Please don’t think that they don’t prefer teaching the satisfaction they get is far greater.

Can I ask what you do for a living ?

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I think if you have had a previous occupation before becoming a teacher, you soon realise how demanding being a teacher is and just how many ‘extra’ hours work you complete in a week that I definitely didn’t do as a Management Accountant.

Being a newly qualified teacher, I work every evening Monday-Thursday for usually 2 hours, can be more depending on the teaching week, and about 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

Without the wonderful job satisfaction, you simply wouldn’t do the job for either the money or the hours. I have the utmost respect for nurses and doctors, who I think are more comparable occupational comparisons, who work so many hours.

[legallyblonde]

Originally Posted by Hooray4Disney

I think if you have had a previous occupation before becoming a teacher, you soon realise how demanding being a teacher is and just how many ‘extra’ hours work you complete in a week that I definitely didn’t do as a Management Accountant.

Being a newly qualified teacher, I work every evening Monday-Thursday for usually 2 hours, can be more depending on the teaching week, and about 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

Without the wonderful job satisfaction, you simply wouldn’t do the job for either the money or the hours. I have the utmost respect for nurses and doctors, who I think are more comparable occupational comparisons, who work so many hours.

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I think that would depend on what your role was before the conversion to be honest.

Seriously not saying it’s not stressful or a lot of hours, but I think comparing it to a doctor is a stretch too far to be honest!

What I am saying is that it does have perks which are undeniable. Whether teachers think the stress is worth that on balance, is a matter for the individual I suppose. Honest question hopefully for an honest answer - how are the 13 weeks holiday utilised by teachers?

[Hooray4Disney]

That’s a fair comment but I was not comparing teacher to doctor - they work so many more hours under much more stress. I think the point I was trying to make was that working iin the public sector has been more demanding for me than when I worked in the private sector.

October half-term - I spent three days marking two classes of C11 Mock papers (3 papers for each student) and two classes of C10 end of unit assessments (1 paper) - once marked, each Mark for each question for each paper is then inputted into spreadsheets - I then analyse the weak areas to add to my planning for starters for the following term.

I also start planning lessons for the new units of work.

I also take home the students books to mark so that it makes the first week back to school, a little less tiring.

In Feb and April holidays, we are running revision sessions for the C11 and C10 students. C11 will also be sitting another full set of Mocks before the Easter holidays that will again be marked over the holidays.

I think the only real holiday I enjoy is the Summer holiday, where I can completely switch off for five weeks. Week six - back into school to sort out the classroom displays, corridor displays and student data for the new classes being taught in September.

[legallyblonde]

Originally Posted by Hooray4Disney

That’s a fair comment but I was not comparing teacher to doctor - they work so many more hours under much more stress. I think the point I was trying to make was that working iin the public sector has been more demanding for me than when I worked in the private sector.

October half-term - I spent three days marking two classes of C11 Mock papers (3 papers for each student) and two classes of C10 end of unit assessments (1 paper) - once marked, each Mark for each question for each paper is then inputted into spreadsheets - I then analyse the weak areas to add to my planning for starters for the following term.

I also start planning lessons for the new units of work.

I also take home the students books to mark so that it makes the first week back to school, a little less tiring.

In Feb and April holidays, we are running revision sessions for the C11 and C10 students. C11 will also be sitting another full set of Mocks before the Easter holidays that will again be marked over the holidays.

I think the only real holiday I enjoy is the Summer holiday, where I can completely switch off for five weeks. Week six - back into school to sort out the classroom displays, corridor displays and student data for the new classes being taught in September.

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Thanks for your honest answer and I think the upshot of that is that it’s no different to other comparable roles save for you may get a week or two more holiday across the year. I suppose as well that time management has a lot to do with it and that some teachers will be better than others at doing that.

[Rac20]

I’m sure when the OP asked the question they didn’t expect or need a debate about how hard teachers work. They work hard. So do many other people in all kinds of professions. All this debating is irrelevant to the original question.

[may]

Originally Posted by Rac20

I’m sure when the OP asked the question they didn’t expect or need a debate about how hard teachers work. They work hard. So do many other people in all kinds of professions. All this debating is irrelevant to the original question.

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That's absolutely true but it arose organically from the original question and it's being conducted in a spirit of genuinely respectful enquiry on both sides. Consequently , while those uninterested may find it rather boring it isn't actually hurting anyone ?