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Old 29 Sep 20, 10:37 PM  
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Looks like flu and pneumonia has more cases than Covid last few months. We need to be careful we donít overlook the other types of illness that has killed people on mass for years.
Source here and itís an interesting read. ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...8september2020
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Originally Posted by myaquarium View Post
Looks like flu and pneumonia has more cases than Covid last few months. We need to be careful we donít overlook the other types of illness that has killed people on mass for years.
Source here and itís an interesting read. ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...8september2020
Please donít take offence, but is there an hint of sarcasm in your post?
I struggle to read people at times.
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Old 29 Sep 20, 10:49 PM  
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Section 2 part 5 makes interesting reading. People with Covid and flu or pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate will only be counted as a Covid death.
Does that mean the Covid deaths will look massively over inflated once the flu season starts even if pneumonia or flu is possibly the cause of death.
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Excess deaths at home is the worrying one.

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Please donít take offence, but is there an hint of sarcasm in your post?
I struggle to read people at times.
Not at all. Iím worried we may take our eye of the ball. Flu is more prevalent at the moment. Itís been reported we may not have enough flu jabs for the elderly and ill this year due to the likely increase in people not normally bothered about the jab suddenly demanding it.
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Iíve expressed my concern about the economic impact for months, and itís getting much worse, devastation is coming. One quarter of pubs, restaurants and bars etc will probably never open again. Disney just laid off 26,000- expect similar massive layoffs to be more regular here. 700000 jobs already gone could be another 2 million by the end of winter.
My father, 76 and diabetic said to me in the pub on Friday heís taking his own decisions and he knows he is at risk, takes the risk and if he didnít want to take the risk would self quarantine. He thinks more should have this attitude and let the younger generation get on with it. Seeing thereís under 400 healthy under 50s died with Covid I can see his point.
Over a million women have had no mammogram, the backlog is now so huge can it be cleared in years with normal screening kept up? Cervical smears- the same. How many thousands will die as a result?
We have spent over half a billion on respirators, not a single one used and all stored in MOD warehouses.
Itís only when the realities hit home that we may see the public attitude quickly shift.


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Originally Posted by myaquarium View Post
Section 2 part 5 makes interesting reading. People with Covid and flu or pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate will only be counted as a Covid death.
Does that mean the Covid deaths will look massively over inflated once the flu season starts even if pneumonia or flu is possibly the cause of death.
This is a real worry if true, and something Iíve said Iíd be worried about happening.
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Originally Posted by myaquarium View Post
Looks like flu and pneumonia has more cases than Covid last few months. We need to be careful we donít overlook the other types of illness that has killed people on mass for years.
Source here and itís an interesting read. ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...8september2020
That is exactly why we cannot allow covid to slip the leash we managed to put on it after a struggle. When it was at its March/April peak, it soaked up so much of the NHS capacity. Unlike any of the other sources of death in the ONS stats, it can leap upwards rapidly when unconstrained - and itís not just the direct deaths it causes but the deaths from other causes when it diverts NHS attention.

(And it causes the most horrible of decisions to have to be made - to need to weigh up numbers of deaths.)

The health services managed to get back to something close to their more normal focus since leashing covid the first time. Itís one key reason the Government are desperate to ensure that leash stays on it.
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That is exactly why we cannot allow covid to slip the leash we managed to put on it after a struggle. When it was at its March/April peak, it soaked up so much of the NHS capacity. Unlike any of the other sources of death in the ONS stats, it can leap upwards rapidly when unconstrained - and itís not just the direct deaths it causes but the deaths from other causes when it diverts NHS attention.

(And it causes the most horrible of decisions to have to be made - to need to weigh up numbers of deaths.)

The health services managed to get back to something close to their more normal focus since leashing covid the first time. Itís one key reason the Government are desperate to ensure that leash stays on it.
Absolutely this. The combination of dealing with patients with a myriad of resp illnesses and diseases is hard enough in winter without Covid-19. There is also a not as yet fully understood impact of what happens when somebody gets more than one at once. Need to get it under control quickly if we can and if we can't get it under control we need to suppress it as much as possible.
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Not at all. Iím worried we may take our eye of the ball. Flu is more prevalent at the moment. Itís been reported we may not have enough flu jabs for the elderly and ill this year due to the likely increase in people not normally bothered about the jab suddenly demanding it.
Iíve had the flu vaccine this year for the first time, but I didnít demand it! I asked at our local pharmacy, put my name on the waiting list, got an appointment and paid my £14, I live with 2 very elderly and I hope Iím doing my bit to ensure they donít get flu this winter, they will also be getting vaccinated at the GP surgery x
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