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Unread 19 May 19, 01:17 AM  
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Originally Posted by duncanb View Post
I will be throwing a spanner in works here but:
1 Have complainers flown on both?
2.Would you prefer to be less polluting for the sake of a inch or so?
3.Hand on heart is an old bit of c@#p (however nice it was in the day) really better than a modern bit of kit.
For me I've flown both the 747 Was lovely but is dial up internet.
The A350 is superior to a Dreamliner and flown that as well.
Progress is what it is, an old shed needs to be scrapped and that is what VA 747s are today.
You may be confusing those sorry to see the 747 departure vs those disappointed re the demise of the larger PE seat. I'm indifferent re VA aircraft type, but I physically can't fit in a width of 17.7".

Originally Posted by Mr Tom Morrow View Post
With regards to the narrower seats in the new VA aircraft I'm keeping my counsel until I have tried them. I lay money they will be awesome.
Unfortunately Tom, with ample hips, plus TENs and bulky metal plated back brace there's no way I can, or will, be shoe-horned into a 17.7" (or 18.5" as the 8 April 2019 article below claims) wide seat with static armrests. Be interesting to see how VA market the reduced width PE seat. Your photo reflects you're a slim chap, a width reduction may not affect you, but after years of 21" of PE width coupled with your back issues I'll take your bet and raise you that you/lady wife will notice a significance difference.

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Unread 19 May 19, 02:22 PM  
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This is bad news for us too. There is no way either DH or I will fit in the narrower PE seats, so it sounds like our days of visiting Florida are numbered, which is a real shame. I would hate to be denied boarding when we simply do not fit. I really do not understand why airlines are reducing seat sizes when the population as a whole is getting bigger. From the sounds of it even UC would be a squeeze which is crazy.
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May I ask... they retiring all the Dreamliners? Only I flew one LhR to NYC, it was a beauty compared the to old thing we got on return? Surely theyd get rid/refit the old rubbish. Before retiring the dream liners?

Havent flown the 747s in a while, though I tend to agree 18inch seat width cant be much better then Easyjet? I cant be paying PE prices to feel like Im flying no frills with food - Im also not willing to do long haul in regular econ for the night flight, so to get my hard earned cash in better be a damn site better then econ with exit row or extra legroom!

As for the original question, they will have to stay competitive so I cant see them increasing price too much because TUi and Norwegian still have a great product in the dreamliners - negating somewhat the lets fly virgin for the nice shiny plane effect. And most consumers are still going to buy by price and convenience (ie which airline gets me Gatwick to Florida, in the standard I want cheapest) loyalty to an airline is way less of a thing these days. Also if its virgin Pe vs BA WTP you can bet your bucket Im taking things like seat width into account before shiny plane syndrome.
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Originally Posted by Jennywren View Post
This is bad news for us too. There is no way either DH or I will fit in the narrower PE seats, so it sounds like our days of visiting Florida are numbered, which is a real shame. I would hate to be denied boarding when we simply do not fit. I really do not understand why airlines are reducing seat sizes when the population as a whole is getting bigger. From the sounds of it even UC would be a squeeze which is crazy.
Hi JW, we're aiming for PE this coming winter (and with luck 2020) aboard the 747 or A330-300. We're hoping to avoid the A330-200, which may mean Man to MCO then driving SW - thereafter we'll cut our cloth and research flying business from Dublin.

One may say we've done quite nicely for many years with the original, bigger VA seat config, with Delta, KLM and AF pulling logistical strings perhaps they've insisted on VA matching the industry PE/UC standard to allow for more seating. VA's 747/A330-300 PE seat is wider at 21" than most American carriers business seat at 20". Understandably airlines have to maximise profit, if VA lose customers due to seat reduction, based on so many people flying, there may be others to take their place.

Originally Posted by Leggibone View Post
May I ask... they retiring all the Dreamliners? Only I flew one LhR to NYC, it was a beauty compared the to old thing we got on return? Surely theyd get rid/refit the old rubbish. Before retiring the dream liners?

Havent flown the 747s in a while, though I tend to agree 18inch seat width cant be much better then Easyjet? I cant be paying PE prices to feel like Im flying no frills with food - Im also not willing to do long haul in regular econ for the night flight, so to get my hard earned cash in better be a damn site better then econ with exit row or extra legroom!

As for the original question, they will have to stay competitive so I cant see them increasing price too much because TUi and Norwegian still have a great product in the dreamliners - negating somewhat the lets fly virgin for the nice shiny plane effect. And most consumers are still going to buy by price and convenience (ie which airline gets me Gatwick to Florida, in the standard I want cheapest) loyalty to an airline is way less of a thing these days. Also if its virgin Pe vs BA WTP you can bet your bucket Im taking things like seat width into account before shiny plane syndrome.
Hiya LB - apologies if I misunderstand your question re VA Dreamliners retiring, it's the 747's VA are putting out to pasture by 2021. When we flew home Tue 14th May the crew lass I was chatting with didn't know if their Dreamliners (which had 21" PE width) would return from RR after engine refurb. Re the four leased, ex Air Berlin, A330-200, according to an article (can I heck as like remember where I saw it) Air Berlin apparently held one of the worst long haul seat configs in Europe. I was unaware until I read Walkman's post that VA had refurbed the four 200 series to a 17.7"/36" PE seat config.

We chose VA purely for the PE seat, we appreciate the seat cushion coming to the back of the knee, providing good lower back/leg support, be interested to know if VA have reduced the seat cushion length after shaving 2" off the pitch.
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