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5 Mar 19, 01:41 PM |
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I watched this yesterday morning on Hulu and I 100% cannot express enough that you need to watch this documentary. It’s absoloutely harrowing but it points out a lot of things that I cannot believe went unnoticed for so many years. It makes me wonder how many people were complicit in these acts. Some of the recorded phone calls and faxes just turned my stomach. I can’t say much more without going into too much detail. I’ll leave you to watch and make your own judgement
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5 Mar 19, 01:42 PM |
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I agree with both of these.
A television programme is not a court of law and even in a court of law it's a challenge to find the complete truth, let alone with the defendant no longer with us. It might be true, in which case I have sympathy for the victims. It might not be true, in which case my sympathies lie with different victims. I'm not going to guess, because I don't want to add momentum to either side when I can't possibly know.
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5 Mar 19, 01:50 PM |
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5 Mar 19, 01:56 PM |
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The Jimmy Seville comparison still holds. People only came out after he died. There was no one saying, he’s dead and not here to defend himself so we can’t know for sure. I am not saying that MJ is guilty or not guilty. What I am saying is that you can’t treat them differently if it true.
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5 Mar 19, 01:58 PM |
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I never said I did know you or your childhood. That was kind of my point.
I also never said anything about their parents and whether they were right or wrong so are you sure you've quoted the right post to reply to? |
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5 Mar 19, 02:01 PM |
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5 Mar 19, 02:05 PM |
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Its such a difficult one. Many people knew about Jimmy Saville when he was alive but did nothing about it. I remember many years before his death in a conversation with someone I know who at the time was in the met who posed the question. How come Jimmy Saville collects so much for children's' hospital but you never see him visit one. He had been banned for many years.
I have no more idea about the guilt of Michael Jackson but I do wonder if he will be treated the same way as others. I know why its done but it feels wrong somehow to make the work that these people did disappear as if it didn't happen. Gary Glitter disappears off TOTP as if he never existed as does Jonathon King. If you watch TOTP2 it was as if Jimmy Saville never presented an episode. Is Michael Jackson about to disappear from musical history in this country? The news was that Radio 2 have quietly dropped him already. |
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5 Mar 19, 02:05 PM |
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5 Mar 19, 02:14 PM |
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I'm sure there were people who questioned it, but it did quickly seem to become agreed that Savile was guilty! So, I see your point about a posthumous investigation and 'trial' of some sort. It was a TV programme that paved the way then, wasn't it?
Still, I want to remind myself that, whatever I might think - I don't know. Whatever did or didn't happen, Jackson lived a much more reclusive life than Savile and it's hard to see that we can ever know for sure.
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5 Mar 19, 02:29 PM |
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I think that a lot of people don’t report it until much later because the balance of power is often skewed when dealing with someone famous or indeed an adult against a child. Sometimes the strength to deal with it only comes with time and occasionally after the person has died.
I think the right to raise these things should always be available whether the person is alive or dead. The way they are dealt with will change but an avenue should always exist. I don’t agree with trial by media I hasten to add. |
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