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Old 19 Sep 20, 12:03 PM  
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Interesting and balanced article OP.
Interesting how Imperial have said we really need antibody and T cell testing to really work out how many have been infected.
Thereís pretty clear evidence now that a decent proportion infected never produce antibodies. Looks to be around 30%+ from the various studies, but thatís still a bit of a guess.
Question is do this group spread the disease or spread it much less? And how do they contribute to the herd immunity question? And should this lot be included in the tests showing a growing Ďepidemicí or are they a Ďcasedemicí ?
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I had an illness years ago that was so similar to the effects of Covid without hospitalisation. Doctor said it was a virus not a chest Infection so no antibiotics could help. It would be good if that gave me some T cells or some kind of protection but I donít really think so
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Interesting report from Spain showing a number of things.

mscbs.gob.es/profesional...0_COVID-19.pdf

Firstly a lot more people who are asymptomatic are being picked up by testing.
(light green asymptomatic, dark green symptomatic)


The other is the importance of looking at regional picture. That it is not a national epidemic but one that moves through regions (something that we see in this country)
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Interesting and balanced article OP.
Interesting how Imperial have said we really need antibody and T cell testing to really work out how many have been infected.
Thereís pretty clear evidence now that a decent proportion infected never produce antibodies. Looks to be around 30%+ from the various studies, but thatís still a bit of a guess.
Question is do this group spread the disease or spread it much less? And how do they contribute to the herd immunity question? And should this lot be included in the tests showing a growing Ďepidemicí or are they a Ďcasedemicí ?
YT did you see my post on the conspiracy theory thread?
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I had an illness years ago that was so similar to the effects of Covid without hospitalisation. Doctor said it was a virus not a chest Infection so no antibiotics could help. It would be good if that gave me some T cells or some kind of protection but I donít really think so
I had similar last October, was told the same it was a virus not a typical chest infection which I would usually get at that time of year. Iím still not back to normal now.
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YT did you see my post on the conspiracy theory thread?
I havenít but have looked now- are you talking about the one about it being around for a lot longer?
Itís weird because sewerage surveys have now picked it up worldwide last year.
This is the latest one- picking it up consistently in effluent in Brazil since last November- medrxiv/content/10.1... 26.20140731v1

Spanish scientists claim they detected it in March 2019.

Italy though not until December (still months before first case).

No one is quite sure- has it come from an animal reservoir for example, or was it in people?

Funny to think animals near us may have had it for years and not just bats in China.
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I havenít but have looked now- are you talking about the one about it being around for a lot longer?
Itís weird because sewerage surveys have now picked it up worldwide last year.
This is the latest one- picking it up consistently in effluent in Brazil since last November- medrxiv/content/10.1... 26.20140731v1

Spanish scientists claim they detected it in March 2019.

Italy though not until December (still months before first case).

No one is quite sure- has it come from an animal reservoir for example, or was it in people?

Funny to think animals near us may have had it for years and not just bats in China.
If it was around longer then many if us may have had it already, albeit in a milder version, which would explain the people with immunity.
There were enough if us with it we had a thread running on it for months, I don't recall ever seeing that with any other pre-covid virus.

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My grandson is currently coughing with high temp and has been tested. He lives with my son, DIL and granddaughter who currently have no symptoms.

Interestingly back in January my DIL was so I'll with a virus she was admitted to hospital and put on oxygen as her sats were so low but was not diagnosed. My son at this time had an awful cough and my granddaughter was poorly with a high temperature. Grandson had no symptoms!
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My wife is just recovered from it. If its as contagious as said, then why do me and our daughter not have it when we live in the same house?
Is your wife ok now?
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To my mind fairly large levels of pre-existing immunity is still the best explanation of why it seems over in some places (Sweden, and perhaps London and New York) as it has now gone through enough of the non-immune to have effectively achieved a sufficient level of herd immunity to stop it spreading widely (there will still be pockets of susceptible for sure - it doesn't mean it just disappears altogether).

I know others disagree.
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