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Old 29 Oct 20, 12:51 AM  
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ONS figures for death from influenza currently only run up to the end of August.

According to the ONS 1,894 people died of influenza in England and Wales from July 1st to August 31st. This is about 1,300 below the 5-year average.

You can download the underlying data from here. Death by date data in on the "Table 3" tab.

ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...a ndpneumonia
In Republic of Ireland a few days ago they said they havenít seen the usual increase in flu appearing in hospitals and GPs are saying the same. They think it could be to do with the social distancing, hand hygiene, masks etc that might be also reducing flu incidences. Letís hope thatís right because the idea of flu and Covid overwhelming hospitals at the same time doesnít bear thinking about!
We have been on stricter lockdown here for a week or so now. We have 5 levels of restrictions here - Level 2 is equivalent to Tier 3 I think in England. Republic of Ireland is currently on Level 5 - so schools remain open, but non-essential businesses shut, and weíre not to travel further than 5km from house unless for essential journeys (including food) for 6 weeks. Whilst our hospital admissions and deaths are not too high right now, our Government says itís a pre-emptive move so we donít get in a bad position. I feel so sorry for business owners having to shut their doors again. But hopefully this will slow the cases right down and buy more time. I think all of these restrictions, no matter how small or harsh, are about buying time until a vaccine is produced and administered in big enough quantities. Itís horrible, but I am hoping in five weeks we can get out a bit more. Whether it is the right thing to do or not I have no idea, but Iím glad I donít have to make those decisions and just have to follow them!
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Old 29 Oct 20, 12:58 AM  
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Originally Posted by Floridadreams View Post
In Republic of Ireland a few days ago they said they havenít seen the usual increase in flu appearing in hospitals and GPs are saying the same. They think it could be to do with the social distancing, hand hygiene, masks etc that might be also reducing flu incidences. Letís hope thatís right because the idea of flu and Covid overwhelming hospitals at the same time doesnít bear thinking about!
The Southern Hemisphere enjoyed a very light flu season this year compared to an average season.

As you say - let's hope we follow suit...

The southern hemisphere skipped flu season in 2020 >>> economist/graphic-de...season-in-2020
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Old 29 Oct 20, 01:00 AM  
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Looks like it nearly time to Batten down the hatches, stock up on tinned food and wrap myself in tin foil again, only to resurface in the new year.
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Old 29 Oct 20, 01:07 AM  
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Looks like it nearly time to Batten down the hatches, stock up on tinned food and wrap myself in tin foil again, only to resurface in the new year.
Don't forget the pasta, tinned tomatoes, flour and, most importantly, the bog roll.
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Old 29 Oct 20, 01:08 AM  
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Don't forget the pasta, tinned tomatoes, flour and, most importantly, the bog roll.
Oh yes, the bog roll. Will also add pasta and 24 cans of tomatoes to my list. See you in 2021 😂
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Old 29 Oct 20, 03:18 AM  
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Full lockdown is nearly here.
Meanwhile, under 20 people under 40 have died from this second wave. Yes, this is a country of 65 million people.
Unfortunately, they are the ones that will be paying for the second lockdown for the next 30 years.
Economic devastation this one may cause as business finally give up en mass. Rishi may come up with billions more to pay people to sit at home again but it wonít really help the businesses themselves.
So, my advice to everyone is make sure your Netflix subscription is up to date, crack open the cheap tins of Quality Street, hopefully you are retired and on a great pension already but if not letís hope Rishi gives his money tree a shake, and relax for the next 4 months and worry about it all later as we canít change the inevitable. SAGE has said 85,000 will die without it. But it could be worse, Macron and his socialist government are claiming it would be 400,000 dead in France, so our SAGE are optimistic.
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Full lockdown is nearly here.
Meanwhile, under 20 people under 40 have died from this second wave. Yes, this is a country of 65 million people.
Unfortunately, they are the ones that will be paying for the second lockdown for the next 30 years.
Economic devastation this one may cause as business finally give up en mass. Rishi may come up with billions more to pay people to sit at home again but it wonít really help the businesses themselves.
So, my advice to everyone is make sure your Netflix subscription is up to date, crack open the cheap tins of Quality Street, hopefully you are retired and on a great pension already but if not letís hope Rishi gives his money tree a shake, and relax for the next 4 months and worry about it all later as we canít change the inevitable. SAGE has said 85,000 will die without it. But it could be worse, Macron and his socialist government are claiming it would be 400,000 dead in France, so our SAGE are optimistic.
I think just quoting the under 40 deaths is a bit unfair. Not sure how many 60-70 yr olds have died but obviously itís a whole lot more. We are in that age group. We are retired, are out walking every day, look after our granddaughter 2-3 days a week, like to go to Florida a couple of times a year and yes we go on all of the big rollercoasters!
I like to think we contribute to the economy, donít claim any benefits and support our community.

We know many others who are the same age as us who do pretty much the same as us.
How many like us have died when we feel we are in our prime?
We love our family very much and they love us.
I would hate to think people thought we were Ďexpendableí just because we are older.

I know a lot of deaths have been in the over 80 s etc, and they are heartbreaking to their loved ones, Iím sure they would have preferred their loved ones to pass away peacefully in their sleep rather than gasping for breath.

Surely if this wasnít a problem so many world leaders wouldnít be taking it seriously, of course I understand itís affecting peopleís businesses, but I canít bear the thought of anyone, let alone anyone in my family, turning up at hospital and there isnít a bed or nurse to look after them.

My son and daughter in law have been affected by the job situation, I know they have tough years ahead of them, and my two year old granddaughter will pay taxes her whole life because of this, but the economy can be resurrected, people canít.( I saw that written somewhere, but it rang true with me)
I know this is a bit of a rant, and Iím not calling for a lockdown, I just canít understand why some people are denying what a serious position we are in and how much worse itís probably going to get.
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I think lockdown is going to happen, again. I'm going to have to go careful though, I dont think the zips and buttons on my jeans can take the strain of another one like last time 🙈
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Old 29 Oct 20, 08:35 AM  
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Here we go again.

No serious commentator had said this virus is deadly or serious for everyone.

The message has always been most people will have mild or no symptoms.

But enough people suffer really badly that if the virus suggests quickly, hospitals will be overwhelmed and be unable to cope. We're already seeing normal treatments cancelled again and there's a large worry about undiagnosed cancers.

Even an overall 0.5% death rate would kill 335,000 people in the UK. The long term implications of that on the economy are massive, as are the possible long term implications of long Covid which are still yet unknown.

Hundreds of thousands of deaths will have a massive effect on the economy. Long term illness amongst young and middle aged will have a massive effect on the economy. It's really not as simple as health or wealth.

I've personally lost three members of my wider family so far. I hope those of you as yet untouched are luckier.

Stay safe and wear a mask (if you're allowed out!)
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Waking up this morning to the results of the latest React-1 study and it feels all but inevitable now, sadly.

Covid-19: Nearly 100,000 catching virus every day - study >>> bbc/news/health-54723962
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