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Old 29 Jan 20, 08:12 PM  
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I dont think JSA exists now it is all universal credit, which has very strict rules and conditions. Living at home the amount will be very basic, and it is paid in arears. All job searches etc are done electronically with everything recorded on your page. It takes time to get sorted out, probably easier for a graduate to get a job, even any job otherwise surely its a bit of a waste of several years studying and getting into student loans etc just to sign on after completion of degree.
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Old 29 Jan 20, 09:10 PM  
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I apologise that I used just yours, I donít know how to multi link posts and yours was simply the one above mine.

However, itís open to interpretation as I canít see where Bondy said anything about the holiday and who was paying. I know Bondy often takes his adult children with him so I presume he pays.

My point being is we canít really judge as we donít have all the facts (as itís not our business if his parents pay or he pays)

Generally though, he wonít get UC while on holiday. I completely agree that securing a job would be the priority but this doesnít mean he canít take a holiday too
Itís not who pays for the holiday , itís the principle of claiming whilst ďhaving a little holidayĒ . Itís not pocket money funded by the taxpayer , itís paid to those actively seeking work.
I do agree any graduate leaving job hunting til after graduation , exams or even later is far more likely to miss the boat though .
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I canít understand why any graduateís parent is asking about claiming benefits. Surely benefits are for those in real need, not just finishing Uni.

We paid for DS1 holiday to Florida after he finished Uni, didnít enter our head for him to apply for benefits. He ended up starting his own business and has done ever since.
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Old 29 Jan 20, 09:19 PM  
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Itís not who pays for the holiday , itís the principle of claiming whilst ďhaving a little holidayĒ . Itís not pocket money funded by the taxpayer , itís paid to those actively seeking work.
I do agree any graduate leaving job hunting til after graduation , exams or even later is far more likely to miss the boat though .
But he cannot claim while having a holiday, UC will not be paid as he is not in the country or actively seeking work. UC claimants often get their benefit sanctioned if they miss one day online job searching, let alone a week or two in the sun.

I agree that securing a job would be my daughterís priority too, but she may be able to secure a job which wouldnít start until August/September so could still take a holiday. She would not claim benefits. However, thatís my family, I still feel Bondy asked a simple question and wanted a simple reply, not opinions on whether his son is right or wrong to make a claim.

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I donít know what degree your children are studying, but my daughter (and many others) are working very hard for their degrees. She had a long Christmas break but revised for exams every day apart from 3 days at Christmas

Again, Iím not saying claiming benefits after uni is right or wrong. I donít think a short break before going into work is a bad thing as many students have had a lot of stress while studying (as despite many peopleís opinions, many do not party for 3-6 years) I would prefer my daughter to secure a job before travelling and start after her short holiday but I can see why a holiday would be beneficial if at all possible (without claiming benefits as she wouldnít be entitled to claiming not actively seeking work)
Totally agree that a holiday or travel could be a good thing after 3 years hard work. Think your suggested is ideal - secure a job and then travel.
However, jobseekers allowance (or the equivalent) is for those seeking work rather than choosing to travel instead
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Old 29 Jan 20, 09:27 PM  
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Totally agree that a holiday or travel could be a good thing after 3 years hard work. Think your suggested is ideal - secure a job and then travel.
However, jobseekers allowance (or the equivalent) is for those seeking work rather than choosing to travel instead
I agree, and have explained that no one would be able to claim UC while travelling. Even if someone claimed UC before travelling, they would have to be applying for jobs and if they refused to take a job (as they had a holiday booked) they would be sanctioned. So, in theory they could claim UC, but the practice is not that simple.
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My son did start looking before he left uni and I did book and pay for a Florida holiday for him. He found a job , started July but was refused time off for the holiday in August so I lost his flight money. It was unfortunate but one of those things -
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My son did start looking before he left uni and I did book and pay for a Florida holiday for him. He found a job , started July but was refused time off for the holiday in August so I lost his flight money. It was unfortunate but one of those things -
Thatís a shame you lost the money. Some companies will honour prebooked holidays, but if itís a graduate scheme with training involved it can be difficult as the new starter would miss the training. Also, if he hadnít secured a job then Iím sure he would have really appreciated the lovely holiday. Itís a gamble to book but you realised this. I hope your son is enjoying his new career 😀
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I canít understand why any graduateís parent is asking about claiming benefits. Surely benefits are for those in real need, not just finishing Uni.

We paid for DS1 holiday to Florida after he finished Uni, didnít enter our head for him to apply for benefits. He ended up starting his own business and has done ever since.
They are entitled to claim benefits if they meet the conditions and if graduates donít have a job straight away, I donít see whatís wrong with them claiming until they do get a job. Even just to protect their National Insurance record. We canít have it both ways - wanting students to be independent but expecting parents to support them if they struggle to find work.

Some universities used to organise signing on sessions for final year students as they know not everyone gets a job straightaway. Some courses have 100% employment rates but not all of them.
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They are entitled to claim benefits if they meet the conditions and if graduates donít have a job straight away, I donít see whatís wrong with them claiming until they do get a job. Even just to protect their National Insurance record. We canít have it both ways - wanting students to be independent but expecting parents to support them if they struggle to find work.

Some universities used to organise signing on sessions for final year students as they know not everyone gets a job straightaway. Some courses have 100% employment rates but not all of them.
You can pay your national insurance direct without signing on. I remember the days when people would take any job in the name of pride and dignity alas by this thread these days are well gone.

If parents have disposable income then I believe they should support their child with loans/gifts of money.

Signing on used to be a thing of shame I am truly taken aback at how normal/mainstream it has become...
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