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Old 30 Nov 21, 10:27 PM  
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Who will have egg on their face- Chise or Jacob Granville? Suppose Chise is just repeating the preliminary news from Israel.
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Old 30 Nov 21, 10:34 PM  
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Who will have egg on their face- Chise or Jacob Granville? Suppose Chise is just repeating the preliminary news from Israel.
Hard to say until the full data are available. Youíve got two well intentioned people (with apparently relevant expertise) speculating on preliminary data or ex vivo simulation type studies. They donít have the full picture.

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Iím inclined not to believe the Moderna boss. Call me cynical but his whole business model depends on scaring populations so that their governments will buy his products and itís working perfectly.
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Crimbo will still be happening in my house this year. We were banned last year in Essex so not happening to me 2 years in a row.
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This variant which appears to be less virulent according to some doctors in South Africa and the fact it may of been doing the rounds already has given the government a chance to gain control and reclaim the upper hand on restrictions and saving the nhs if needed. They are basically flexing their muscles and frightening people.
Even today there was mixed messages at the press conference with one speaker warning us against meeting people over the festive time and Boris saying Christmas wonít be ruined. Obviously they never had a pre discussion which you would suspect they should for such an occasion.
The way this latest variant has been reported is shocking with no evidence regarding the disease it may cause.
Yet we are told itís masks in shops and transport. But not major sporting events restaurants theatres school classrooms etc etc.
I suspect certain parts of society will call for no relative visiting over the festivities.
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Sue are you still ok for Australia.
Just seen this - yes thanks so far.
We have to PCR 72 hours before we go in any case and now have to PCR on return, instead of lateral flow.
Thatís providing nothing changes before 4th Jan.
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This variant which appears to be less virulent according to some doctors in South Africa and the fact it may of been doing the rounds already has given the government a chance to gain control and reclaim the upper hand on restrictions and saving the nhs if needed. They are basically flexing their muscles and frightening people.
Even today there was mixed messages at the press conference with one speaker warning us against meeting people over the festive time and Boris saying Christmas wonít be ruined. Obviously they never had a pre discussion which you would suspect they should for such an occasion.
The way this latest variant has been reported is shocking with no evidence regarding the disease it may cause.
Yet we are told itís masks in shops and transport. But not major sporting events restaurants theatres school classrooms etc etc.
I suspect certain parts of society will call for no relative visiting over the festivities.
According to this preliminary Israeli data- itís more virulent-if you are unvaccinated, and significantly more transmissible if unvaccinated. But vaccinated, things seem to be very different if this is correct.
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The scientist say they are worried about South Africa when this variant hits the townships ( for want of a better description I will use that ). Doctors in South Africa say they have been seeing most of the infections in the wealthy areas where people have medical insurance and will call the doctors if sick. People in the township one of the most densely populated areas in the world wonít call a doctor as they are poor. This variant is so highly infectious it will already be running rampant throughout the population of some of the unhealthy population on earth due to poverty. You might say the rich and poor wonít mingle or have contact with each other but who do you think cleans the homes of the wealthy and cooks for them, it is different to the U.K. they could be going from one home to the other. If you are on a pittance you do need the money so unless you are so sick you can not get out of bed, you will go to work and probably spread it. So we shouldnít be looking at the people going to the doctors in South Africa they should be testing in the township to see how many are positive, sick and ultimately die. This is how we will learn about this variant
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According to this preliminary Israeli data- itís more virulent-if you are unvaccinated, and significantly more transmissible if unvaccinated. But vaccinated, things seem to be very different if this is correct.
It would not surprise me if the next thing from this rabble would be on the lines that you can visit your loved ones and friends at Christmas if you have been vaccinated. If not satay away.
I really can imagine them to pit relative against relative and friend against friend and colleague against colleagues to push their agenda on vaccines which is really ramping up this week.
I feel itís getting a bit pushy already.
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