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Old 26 Jan 20, 02:56 PM  
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I suppose the problem is that what is listed in the nominal teacher's 50 hours doesn't include 'extras' What could be taken out? It is honestly broadly what is needed to run a modern primary classroom. 'Extras' are listed below and uncounted. This comparison is a few years old. I have noticed that his extras figures don't include my personal demon, data collation (shudders).

The nominal person on 37.5 hours may do compulsory, unpaid work on a regular basis but they would need to do about 12.5 hours of that a week, about 1.5 extra working days to equal the teachers pretty basic 50.

I know it's counter intuitive, it doesn't fit with the general picture but it is very broadly the truth.
Genuinely, when I was full time, I easily did that a week in emergency and on call work.
I do think teachers work hard but there are plenty of other people who work hard too. I have close family who teach and they definitely don’t want to swap jobs!
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Old 26 Jan 20, 06:06 PM  
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Genuinely, when I was full time, I easily did that a week in emergency and on call work.
I do think teachers work hard but there are plenty of other people who work hard too. I have close family who teach and they definitely don’t want to swap jobs!
Your previous point was that the 50 hour figure for teachers included 'extras'. It didn't. You've now switched emphasis and are saying that teachers aren't the only people who work hard which is self evident. I've checked back and I honestly can't find a place where anyone claimed otherwise ?
What job are you doing please? As I've said previously I'm totally open to the idea that there are lots of other employees on pretty average wages putting in unlimited hours that don't bring any additional financial benefit it's just that apart from teachers and possibly very junior doctors I haven't met them so far. Which may say more about the narrowness of my social circle than anything else
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Old 26 Jan 20, 09:01 PM  
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Just wrote a reply and lost it. I’m not trying to argue - I have a lot of respect for what teachers do and I don’t think I worded my reply well. My point was that I didn’t think the 50 hours mentioned included optional extras, just the full extent of the job. In the same way my contracted hours don’t reflect the full extent of my job and I expect that’s true of lots of people.
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The most under appreciated professions are nursing and people who work in the gig economy with zero hours contracts and very little protection.
Teaching is hugely bureaucratic but, having been a teacher, its ludicrous to say that it's harder than any other career.
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