Moral Torpitude

[Sew109]

Is an arrest where there has been neither a charge nor a caution made kept on record ? In my opinion it should not be as guild has neither been admitted or found.

On a slightly different note make sure your some gets good independent advice (not duty solicitor) if he is offered a caution as this can cause all sorts of problems down the line in the UK.

[lovinit]

Originally Posted by Sew109

Is an arrest where there has been neither a charge nor a caution made kept on record ? In my opinion it should not be as guild has neither been admitted or found.

On a slightly different note make sure your some gets good independent advice (not duty solicitor) if he is offered a caution as this can cause all sorts of problems down the line in the UK.

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Their name will be linked to the crime for the local Police force where arrested, but there will be no record on PNC if they were never charged/cautioned.

[SgtElias]

Morning, I had this issue with the first esta I filled in to go to the USA. I was also 17 when I got into a fight, I didn’t start it, but I ended up being charged with ABH as I broke the lads nose and he had a few other bumps and bruises. His parents contacted the police and I was charged from there. I was fined £65 and two years probation.

I wasn’t sure what to do about this question, I contacted our local police headquarters, as far as they were concerned it was historical due to the decades that had passed, but the officer I spoke to said something along the lines of “but we don’t know what they can see of your record when they are processing you at the airport” that answer made me say yes on the esta as I didn’t want to be potentially turned away !

With hindsight, the officer was being helpful but he wasn’t maybe fully conversant with esta rules and regs. But answering yes (in my situation) made me feel I was doing the right thing.

As a side issue, that conviction has shown up on DBS checks whenever I have made career moves in the banking world, I’ve been asked about it and a couple of other incidents that are there, but after explaining to HR there has never been an issue.

[bighal]

I found this on the web and its a list of offences that may or may not be classified as a crime involving moral turpitude :-
hub.unlock.uk/knowledgeb...urpitude-cimt/

There are 83 crimes listed with a straight yes/no or further information which would make it one.

It sounds like the OP's son is a common assault charge which is not classed as a Crime involving Moral Turpitude.

[cartoonp]

Originally Posted by oateyboy

Afternoon all

We have a trip booked for March next year and I was due to apply for ESTAs this week.

Unfortunately my 17 year old son got arrested yesterday for assault. He has not been charged yet as police are still investigating and collecting evidence.

Any advice would be most appreciated. For the record, I do not condone what he has done and am not totally aware of all the circumstances. Please can we not make this about his behaviour but about the practical steps I may need to take.

Thanks all

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When you apply for an ESTA, even if you do not disclose any criminal convictions on your application, a check will be made to see if you have any on file. If you were found to have a criminal conviction then your application will be denied.

[Sew109]

Originally Posted by cartoonp

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When you apply for an ESTA, even if you do not disclose any criminal convictions on your application, a check will be made to see if you have any on file. If you were found to have a criminal conviction then your application will be denied.

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This is why it’s important to get advice on a. Caution as a caution can be treated like a conviction

[bighal]

Originally Posted by cartoonp

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When you apply for an ESTA, even if you do not disclose any criminal convictions on your application, a check will be made to see if you have any on file. If you were found to have a criminal conviction then your application will be denied.

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That's more likely in there to make people think carefully to do it right the first time. The US does not have an automatic right to check our criminal records and ESTAs can be approved instantly we know they don't checked like that.
Saying that there is nothing stopping them doing random checks but those will take some time to be approved.

[Stitchesmumanddad]

Originally Posted by Sew109

Is an arrest where there has been neither a charge nor a caution made kept on record ? In my opinion it should not be as guild has neither been admitted or found.

On a slightly different note make sure your some gets good independent advice (not duty solicitor) if he is offered a caution as this can cause all sorts of problems down the line in the UK.

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Why do you say not a duty solicitor? They are very independent from the police and one with the most experience possible. How do I know ?
Because I was one for 12 years until I changed to Prosecution

[Donaldfan]

Originally Posted by Stitchesmumanddad

Why do you say not a duty solicitor? They are very independent from the police and one with the most experience possible. How do I know ?
Because I was one for 12 years until I changed to Prosecution

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I agree with this. The firm of solicitors I work for does criminal defence. Our chap takes his turn at being a duty solicitor and is known as being one of the best in the area, with over 30 years experience.

[skalexander]

Originally Posted by Blue nose

Lots of opinion and suggestions on here but to my knowledge you're a legal professional so value your opinion and would apply for an Esta based in this in these circumstances.

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Thank you. Yep, criminal and family law (including police station duty), this type of stuff is bread and butter for anyone doing criminal prosecution or defence.