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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:20 PM  
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A few weeks ago people were rightly horrified about the poor horses running wild and getting hurt in London, as they had been frightened.

Imagine if they’d been rammed by a police car (twice) to try to resolve it.
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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:36 PM  
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I really don’t understand why a tranquilliser gun couldn't have been used in this situation.
A tranquilliser gun is not commonly available, there not widespread as the firearms license holder has to also have a veterinary license for the drugs, they are very few and far between, a local zoo or safari park would be your best bet.

Having said that a zoo wouldn’t be reaching for that if a dangerous animal got loose😬 there held and used for knocking them out for operations etc!

Chances are it would take ages, we had 2 escaped reindeer on the loose for a couple of days, we did manage after 24 hours to get a man with a tranquilliser gun and were lucky enough to get them home, but they were in a Forrest with no danger to humans so time was on our side.
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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:48 PM  
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Originally Posted by captain-codeye View Post
A tranquilliser gun is not commonly available, there not widespread as the firearms license holder has to also have a veterinary license for the drugs, they are very few and far between, a local zoo or safari park would be your best bet.

Having said that a zoo wouldn’t be reaching for that if a dangerous animal got loose😬 there held and used for knocking them out for operations etc!

Chances are it would take ages, we had 2 escaped reindeer on the loose for a couple of days, we did manage after 24 hours to get a man with a tranquilliser gun and were lucky enough to get them home, but they were in a Forrest with no danger to humans so time was on our side.
Exactly. Then you have a dazed and confused cow running around. Let the investigation run its course with people who have all the facts. The IOPC will find fault if there is any
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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:49 PM  
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Originally Posted by captain-codeye View Post
A tranquilliser gun is not commonly available, there not widespread as the firearms license holder has to also have a veterinary license for the drugs, they are very few and far between, a local zoo or safari park would be your best bet.

Having said that a zoo wouldn’t be reaching for that if a dangerous animal got loose😬 there held and used for knocking them out for operations etc!

Chances are it would take ages, we had 2 escaped reindeer on the loose for a couple of days, we did manage after 24 hours to get a man with a tranquilliser gun and were lucky enough to get them home, but they were in a Forrest with no danger to humans so time was on our side.
A farm vet would have one and would be able to use it.
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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:53 PM  
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Originally Posted by marypoppins38 View Post
A farm vet would have one and would be able to use it.
They really wouldn’t, when we needed the reindeer capturing I phoned the head of Leicestershire firearms personally and asked who had one in Leicestershire, the answer was zero registered in the county, we got someone in from Worcestershire in the end.

Having said that if you could get close enough a vet could have drugged the cow by hand, we obviously couldn’t get close to the deer.

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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:54 PM  
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If anyone calls sspca out of hours, their answering machine directs you to call 101 for police. It’s a nightmare trying to get a vet for an injured animal as their main concern is who pays their bill…..
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Old 16 Jun 24, 08:55 PM  
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How this discussion would be so different had the animal killed or hurt a child (or anyone for that matter). We would then be discussing how bad the police were by not doing anything and everything possible to stop it.
They can't win. So quick to judge based on such little information and knowledge.
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Originally Posted by marypoppins38 View Post
From the reports I read a member of public led it to a field after the horrific event thankfully, so it must have been calm enough to lead.
They could have called a vet, a farmer or the RSPCA to deal with it but did not do so apparently.
No one is vilifying the police as has been suggested, but additionally, the police aren’t always perfect and justified in their actions either!
"reports you have read" - do they have access to ALL or ANY of the facts that lead to the incident?

Noone knows about the conversations that will have been had with the control room - and im sure the driver would not have just done this for "fun" - rather that they had an honestly held belief that this needed to be done for public safety or that they were advised that this was the correct course of action by someone in authority (who by the way will be unlikely to be removed from duties).

Who knows - certainly not anyone going on what they have read on "socai media" or seen on news reports

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I really don’t understand why a tranquilliser gun couldn't have been used in this situation.
The police dont carry tranquiliser guns and maybe the vet they use didnt answer the phone/was on holida/insert any other reason you can think of!
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Originally Posted by katiec68 View Post
"reports you have read" - do they have access to ALL or ANY of the facts that lead to the incident?

Noone knows about the conversations that will have been had with the control room - and im sure the driver would not have just done this for "fun" - rather that they had an honestly held belief that this needed to be done for public safety or that they were advised that this was the correct course of action by someone in authority (who by the way will be unlikely to be removed from duties).

Who knows - certainly not anyone going on what they have read on "socai media" or seen on news reports



The police dont carry tranquiliser guns and maybe the vet they use didnt answer the phone/was on holida/insert any other reason you can think of!
Unless you were in the control room then I guess you don’t know either, you are literally making assumptions.
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Originally Posted by marypoppins38 View Post
A farm vet would have one and would be able to use it.
A farm vet surely just injects tranquillisers. How many vets have firearms licenses?
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