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Old 2 Dec 21, 09:11 AM  
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I thought this was a joke at first and had a good chuckle. I then realised that it was deadly serious! - I think for once, I'm actually lost for words!
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Old 2 Dec 21, 09:18 AM  
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Wonder if people would go without or switch to another supermarket when their Sainsbury is closed for 10 days due to the 60 staff being in close contact with the new variant at the staff party.

It is wrong, but you can see why some misguided someone thought it might be a good idea.

Bringing back the isolate rule for new variant whilst allowing social events with no masks or social distancing, businesses are kind of relying on staff to be sensible. Small businesses could go to the wall (again) in the run up to Christmas. And if supermarkets end up badly affected in the week or so before Christmas, well, that will be fun... all for a staff knees up.
But there is a massive difference for an employer to be cautious and cancelled their work related/organised activities, that's up to the employer - but to to dictate what people can then do out of work in their own time? big fat no no.
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Old 2 Dec 21, 09:20 AM  
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I thought this was a joke at first and had a good chuckle. I then realised that it was deadly serious! - I think for once, I'm actually lost for words!
Now that cannot be true

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Old 2 Dec 21, 09:33 AM  
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This type of thing doesn't surprise me really, it,s rife now with employers thinking they own you 24/7 and pushing what they can get away with to the limits.
Hopefully the staff at sainsburys have a trade union they can join, iam surprised they could actually send this out without discussions with them first.
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Originally Posted by WhereIBelong View Post
Wonder if people would go without or switch to another supermarket when their Sainsbury is closed for 10 days due to the 60 staff being in close contact with the new variant at the staff party.

It is wrong, but you can see why some misguided someone thought it might be a good idea.

Bringing back the isolate rule for new variant whilst allowing social events with no masks or social distancing, businesses are kind of relying on staff to be sensible. Small businesses could go to the wall (again) in the run up to Christmas. And if supermarkets end up badly affected in the week or so before Christmas, well, that will be fun... all for a staff knees up.

I'm all for cautiousness. BUT it's not up to the employer to dictate who can socialise with whom out of working hours. If supermarkets want to prevent being affected then they should've not announced no mask enforcements as I understand many have, return to one way system and reduce numbers in the stored. Doris in Sainsbury's has the same risk of getting COVID and spreading it around if she goes to McDonald's with her grandson, TGI Fridays with her workmates and as much chance as the hordes of customers piling in having spent the day at Bluewater or on the ≈≈≈≈ following an office party.

It's cynical and about Sainsbury's bottom line. imho very disrespectful to retail staff who could not WFH during the pandemic, who took great abuse from those who call mask wearing "theatre" etc. Imho, Sainsbury's and other supermarket would be better off asking their staff to be cautious and offering them additional paid holidays to be taken in the next two years.

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Old 2 Dec 21, 10:26 AM  
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I’m all for caution but that is a massive overstep. I’d be livid if my employer tried to dictate what I should do out of hours. I suspect it will be counterproductive too, as now they’ve really cheesed off their workforce.

And let’s face it, whilst no-one wants anyone to be ill, if a branch of Sainsbury’s needed to close for a week the county (and the company) would cope! It’s not like it’s a hospital (I’m aware of similar requests being made to NHS staff - but the ones I’m aware of are requests, not mandates)
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I’m all for caution but that is a massive overstep. I’d be livid if my employer tried to dictate what I should do out of hours. I suspect it will be counterproductive too, as now they’ve really cheesed off their workforce.

And let’s face it, whilst no-one wants anyone to be ill, if a branch of Sainsbury’s needed to close for a week the county (and the company) would cope! It’s not like it’s a hospital (I’m aware of similar requests being made to NHS staff - but the ones I’m aware of are requests, not mandates)
If that action has been taken nationally don't think that Sainsbury's is worried about just one shop closing.
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Old 2 Dec 21, 11:25 AM  
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I understand asking for people to be cautious... However I fail to see how a company dictates, be it a supermarket, school or office, can tell it's staff what they can and can't do when there are no national restrictions in place
They can’t.
It isn’t gross misconduct under the legal definition .
Anything for colleagues only and presented that way arguably could be called work related, a social gathering of friends some of whom happen to know each other through work and some (even a few who don’t) and arranged away from work , eg not on the canteen notice board or via work email , is nothing to do with the employer and they can’t dictate whether it goes ahead or not.
I suspect most will just have their own gatherings and not talk about it at work in reality.
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I must also be clear that all events arranged that involves colleagues meeting socially must be cancelled - any locally arranged meals/drinks included. I know there are parties and meets arranged and I know deposits etc. will have been paid - if this is the case, please come and discuss it and we will support you...
I wonder if they will also support the pubs and restaurants that are now losing their large bookings due to this action.
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So a quick Google.

Sainsbury's gives staff this Boxing Day off to reward them for their loyalty during this crisis. But says they have to make up the time by using annual leave or working overtime.

Sainsbury's tells staff at a store they are closing that they are all invited to an hour long Xmas dinner on the 1st December but as their break is only 30 minutes long they have to make up the additional 30 mins by overtime.

I wonder why I decided to boycott them over 15 months ago.
M&s staff have to make their hours up too if xmas day & boxing day falls on a day they have a booked shift
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