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Old 8 Aug 20, 10:29 AM  
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Thankyou. On the above things you mention I am not blowing my own trumpet but I would get 100% - I have never had a day off sick in the nearly 4 years I have worked there. I am never late - during lockdown especially I’ve been working from home and have worked well above my normal hours and they know that. Never had and disciplinary action or anything. My main downfall is my confidence at my job and my manager is constantly telling me I need to believe in myself and realise how good I am at it. So I think I need to work on that. Thanks again
This is one time you MUST blow your own trumpet .DH had just such an interview yesterday he told his HR manager that he was prepared to do anything he could to help the company and was prepared to be as flexible as needed in these difficult times .
He was told how much money he would get should the worst happen and has another interview next week.
It feels so unfair his company had 8 years worth of orders before Covid and was thriving .
It’s a rubbish time and I really wish you all the best .
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Thankyou all for your replies. Supposedly it is not COVID related and the reason for the redundancies is a new computer system which has been brought in that “supposedly” saves time. This programme isn’t used on our team so this is one of the criteria we will mention, and also the people that do use it have said it has never worked properly since they installed it and has not saved time at all.
They initially are asking for 4 volunteers - we know 1 for definitely so it’s 3 now out of 27. Then if no more offer then it’s a case of us all fighting for our roles.
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I think all meetings are different- just going through this . In my first meeting they told me how many people need to go and the criteria they score it on - ours was performance, experience, sickness and discipline record . If scores were tied it would go on length of service . All of us involved did ask if we could drop some hours to avoid anyone being made redundant and the idea was going to be looked at so not sure if that is feasible in your situation. The second meeting we get to see our score and told if we are to go . Best of luck.
I must admit I still get really cross when I have read and still read , not just on here but on other places , how people are enjoying furlough and need to get back to work etc . It has honestly been an awful time and I am sure the vast majority of people on furlough wound rather be back to normal .
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Old 8 Aug 20, 12:01 PM  
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They should have given you the criteria they are scoring you against. Good practise is to ask for people to come forward for voluntary redundancy or flexible work as this could save their own role or someone else's but with reduced hours so maybe work out financially if you would be able to do this or not before your meeting. Every company do it differently but you may be 'pooled' and scored against others who have the same job title. If you have any experience anywhere else definitely bring that up, or past experience at another job that you would be able to put towards another. Ask what your score is and a copy of the criteria. If you think you've been marked incorrectly anywhere definitely let them know so it can be double checked. Like others have said you'll be able to appeal within a certain timeframe. Good luck with it, it's not an easy process to go through 😔 x
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Thankyou all for your replies. Supposedly it is not COVID related and the reason for the redundancies is a new computer system which has been brought in that “supposedly” saves time. This programme isn’t used on our team so this is one of the criteria we will mention, and also the people that do use it have said it has never worked properly since they installed it and has not saved time at all.
They initially are asking for 4 volunteers - we know 1 for definitely so it’s 3 now out of 27. Then if no more offer then it’s a case of us all fighting for our roles.
If not used in your team then I would be stating very clearly that you should not be part of the process
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Thank you all so much for your replies. It’s been a horrible few months - I was furloughed through April and I was devastated - I actually didn’t think they could furlough us as we literally are a two man team. My colleague ran it alone for a month and then they swapped us so I was alone. That month alone nearly broke both of us it’s way too much for one person - then they brought us both back and we brought in more money than our team ever has on record! The last two months we have worked our backs off for them.
Definately I will mention that this programme is not used on our system so why should we be included in the redundancy pool - because there are 3 other teams who are actually all part of the same department who are not included as they don’t use it.
I am expecting a letter which I think outlines the process - apparently they want it done and dusted by the end of September.
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Originally Posted by Ellelledee View Post
Thank you all so much for your replies. It’s been a horrible few months - I was furloughed through April and I was devastated - I actually didn’t think they could furlough us as we literally are a two man team. My colleague ran it alone for a month and then they swapped us so I was alone. That month alone nearly broke both of us it’s way too much for one person - then they brought us both back and we brought in more money than our team ever has on record! The last two months we have worked our backs off for them.
Definately I will mention that this programme is not used on our system so why should we be included in the redundancy pool - because there are 3 other teams who are actually all part of the same department who are not included as they don’t use it.
I am expecting a letter which I think outlines the process - apparently they want it done and dusted by the end of September.
Sounds like they dint know what they are doing. If you are unlucky make sure you appeal
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DH is just going through this now. Unfortunately his company seem to be trying to make the redundancy pools work in favour of who they’re looking to get rid of. There are a number of his colleagues who are very good at their jobs (but aren’t good friends of the acting department manager) up against people with less experience and skill, where they are being placed at the bottom of their pool. Titles have been tweaked for people with the same job so that they are both up for redundancy in different pools. The job DH does is very specialised for his department, the two of them that do it are apparently both at risk. But the company has said that a big chunk of the job they say is no longer required will make up the cornerstone of the work going forward! The process so far has been handled in a less than trustworthy manner. Minutes from HR calls have been sent out with whole passages that are incorrect and information is lacking when requested. You’d think it was a small family outfit instead of a big company.
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I really feel for everyone going through this horrible time. Those companies who keep those in favour rather than the “best” are really silly imho as they are jeopardising the future of it so perhaps best out of it. I remember a couple of years ago my sister in law was made redundant from the company she had worked for for 30 years and was in a really bad place as she had no confidence she could do anything else. I work for a local authority and we have had constant redundancies for as many years as I can remember now and the most positive part is that all have gone on to better jobs or jobs that they are happier with - same for my in law.
I know the employment market is scary currently but fingers crossed for everyone 🤞
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Also going through this at the moment!

I’m really sorry you’ve had the same news, it’s absolutely awful to go through.

We have been going through mitigation. Essentially, they tell you to keep it none emotive (easier said than done!) and to present facts only.

You need to find out what their aim is, ie, do they only want to employ 1 person to do the role, or do they need to make a cash saving of x%. The answer to that will need to form the basis for your mitigation.

Between yourself and your colleague, you need to look at how you can save cash if that’s what they are going with.

Forgetting the workload being too high for now, can you both reduce hours by a certain % to save what they need? Is overtime paid at a high rate that you could drop a small percentage of.

I say forget workload, as just saying to them “it’s too much work for us to do alone now” won’t bother them in the slightest. The key thing is to save the jobs in your eyes, they won’t care about workload. Plus, there may be a module for your new system coming that would lighten your workload, they’re just not telling you (happened to us)

The big thing, is that if you do reduce hours and keep your jobs, you MUST only work those hours. Make sure you take all your required breaks, do not do any extra for them. You need to essentially let your workload fail and break. That’s the only way they would look at increasing your hours and pay back up.

You have to be given the chance for representation. If you don’t have a majority union, then they need to allow you to appoint people to consult on your behalf. They will be the go between for you and management. Choose wisely.

There is a legal process they need to follow, details can be found via ACAS if you are not in the union. Make sure they follow it. Take notes of everything, and keep as much of it in writing as you can in case you need to argue it.

They will also need to set up a matrix to measure everyone against for lay offs. Every companies is different. Technically, length of service can’t be used as it can be discriminatory, but there are ways around that for them.

Any questions, please just let me know and I’ll do my best to help.

We’ve been going through it since almost the start of furlough in April, and it’s absolute hell

Sending you lots of love
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