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Old 24 Sep 20, 10:25 AM  
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Dog (un)training tips please.

Tazzie is 2 now, we adopted her at 10 months, she'd had zero training or socialisation in those 10 months (or outside walking!) and was pretty much out of control so it's been a journey.

She's VERY responsive to training of new behaviour but we're still struggling with some of her naughty behaviour...

She has possession issues which we manage with distraction very well, but it's not making a long term difference if that makes sense, the issues are still there, just easily distracted from, we still wouldn't take anything away from her. She'll go and help herself to pretty much anything (shoes / socks / tissues etc.) I'd love to get her to the point where we can remove the item from her and eventually stop her from taking it in the first place - is this just natural progression from distraction?

Jumping up! Neither of our other saints ever jumped up, and to be fair it's only when she's behind the pet gate and we come into the house, we ignore her and fuss her when she's back down but there's still no lessening of the actual jumping up.

Barking at us when we're eating - we have to remove her from the room, as soon as we sit down to eat she'll start barking at us and / or pawing at us. Constant removal has made no difference, we've tried having a treat on the table that she's allowed when she's sat quietly but it'll have a very short term effect (or sometimes no effect) then she's back to barking again.

Any tips please, she learns new behaviours really well, but in 20 months I don't feel that we've come far with these issues.
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Old 24 Sep 20, 10:48 AM  
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from your description of her and taking things it sounds like you are trying to take them from her,but that is reinforcing that if she takes something she will get attention like a naughty child any attention is good attention.
I would try to get her a soft toy which is just hers,and when she plays with it dont try and take it off her but tell her what a good girl she is and lots of petting and praise and ignore her when she takes other stuff,its very boring to steal these things and get no attention,
the same for barking at mealtimes dont remove her, you have reacted to her barking,shes won again and the prize is your attention though I am not sure your eardrums will last until she gives up,because its not a quick fix
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Honestly, I was going to suggest doing exactly the things you are already doing. I would consult a behaviorist who can watch her doing the behaviors and try and ascertain why she is doing them. I think what you are doing would work in most cases so there might be other factors.
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Might be too simplistic, but I taught my lab ‘drop’ and ‘no’ which worked really well. To begin with I just taught him to drop on command, then he did learn that he was getting no and drop for the same things, and did learn they weren’t his.
He was pretty easy to train in that regard though so like I say maybe not helpful.
But every time I saw him put something down, I’d use the word drop, nice and clear and loud. Even if he just abandoned his toy or ball, he’d get the cue.
If he had something I didn’t want him to have, I’d offer food or a better toy, to which he’d drop the shoe etc, ‘drop’. If he went back to the shoe, he’d get a no, and the distraction again.
I found the one clear word thing worked really well. Every time he jumped in the car ‘car’ walked through the front door ‘house’ every time he sat ‘sit’. So if I say car now he’ll just jump in.

The drop one I emphasised using a game of fetch with 2 balls. Every time he came back, I’d go to throw the other ball, so he’d drop the first one ‘drop’ and so on. He’ll now drop anything on command. I always find a pointed finger the same time as the cue reminds him he should be doing something
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Might be too simplistic, but I taught my lab ‘drop’ and ‘no’ which worked really well. To begin with I just taught him to drop on command, then he did learn that he was getting no and drop for the same things, and did learn they weren’t his.
He was pretty easy to train in that regard though so like I say maybe not helpful.
But every time I saw him put something down, I’d use the word drop, nice and clear and loud. Even if he just abandoned his toy or ball, he’d get the cue.
If he had something I didn’t want him to have, I’d offer food or a better toy, to which he’d drop the shoe etc, ‘drop’. If he went back to the shoe, he’d get a no, and the distraction again.
I found the one clear word thing worked really well. Every time he jumped in the car ‘car’ walked through the front door ‘house’ every time he sat ‘sit’. So if I say car now he’ll just jump in.

The drop one I emphasised using a game of fetch with 2 balls. Every time he came back, I’d go to throw the other ball, so he’d drop the first one ‘drop’ and so on. He’ll now drop anything on command. I always find a pointed finger the same time as the cue reminds him he should be doing something
I love this idea Thank you. I feel the key with her is teaching her something rather than stopping something.

Fingers crossed 🤞
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There is a series called Dogs Behaving (Very) Badly on Channel 5. There are repeating series 2 at the moment but you can download them all.

Obviously it is edited as on the show it looks like the problem is sorted straight away but it’s really interesting. It’s covered both jumping and possessive behaviour. The guy on the show is called Graham and you can hire him but he does charge £800 as we googled him to sort out our dogs pulling on the lead.
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You are right that the trick is to teach rather than unteach. So with the stuff she is taking, when she does that grab a high value treat and get her to bring you the item in exchange for the treat. It stops the issue of her running off with it and it honestly wont encourage her to take stuff. Encourage bringing stuff on command, so when I load my washing machine I deliberately throw a few pairs of socks just out of reach and get my dog to bring them to me. I also taught her to fetch the post/newspaper.

With regard to the dinning table, this we accidentally taught when eating out. I had her on a short lead in the pub garden, after a while she got bored and laid on my feed, we praised this and she now lays on my feet at home, so maybe try her on a short lead that you hold so she is under the table and praise her if she lays down.

With jumping up, when she does it turn you side or back to her and otherwise ignore her, when she is on the floor with all 4 paws then greet her nicely but not to enthusiastically.

Most of all remember she is still very young - probably younger than her actual age as she missed out on her puppyhood by the sounds of it.
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She's currently glued to my side as I have a treat in my pocket and she has one of DS's socks she's taken from his laundry basket (the sofa!... ) She won't surrender the sock, she's dropped it once and I said 'drop' then as I went to give her the treat she lunged for the sock and growled, she's now guarding it!

This is going to be a long haul exercise this one!

We've tried a lead when we're eating, but sadly it made no difference, even if we put her the other side of the gate she'll lay down quietly, but the second she's in the same room the barking starts! The problem is being a giant breed, she's VERY loud and her head is table height, so very difficult to ignore.

Thank you for all the tips, I'm up for giving anything a go, it's clearly not going to be a quick fix but we'll persevere. Other than these issues, she's really turning into a lovely dog, we have immediate quick fixes for these but I'd love to completely eradicate them.
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Here's a couple of ideas;
barking at the table - have a dog bed near the table. Outside of mealtimes teach her go to bed - get treat. As it's a big dog you can go overboard with this and do it a hundred times a day without her getting too fat . Ignore the barking at table while you train this until she will 100% of the time 'go to bed' on command. Then get everybody sat at the table with just a cuppa and biscuits not a full meal. Ask 'go to bed' and toss a really nice treat ( nicer to the dog than what you have on the table). Every time she gets up repeat. Then do it with a meal on the table. To start with you may have to throw her a treat frequently as reward for staying in her bed but gradually you can increase the time.
Remember she's been doing this for two years you aren't going to extinguish this behaviour in a week
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Resource guarding;
start with something that she doesn't usually steal (wooden spoon? Something not soft and chewy)
Teach her to 'Take' it and give her a treat for that and teach her to 'give' it (which she ought to do if she isn't really keen to take it) for another treat
Then once you have that 100% offer to 'take' this thing when she has something you want in her mouth. She has to drop that to take it and then you treat.
The important thing to remember is REWARD not BRIBE
"If you do X for me I will give you this treat" is bribery and has to escalate. Having a treat ready on the table is bribery.
"Well done for doing X here is a treat" is a reward and then she is likely to repeat X to get another. So you need to start with really simple things that you know she WILL do and work up from there

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