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Old 15 May 19, 06:24 PM  
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Virgin Atlantic - retirement of 747's and the affect on prices

I was just doing some reading into Virgin Atlantic and by 2021 the 747 fleet will be retired and replaced by the A350. Obviously the capacity on these airlines will affect the ultimate capacity on the route but what is interesting is that there are plans to upgrade the number of upper class seats from 16 on the 747 to 44 on the A350. Does anyone have any idea what kind of impact this will have on the flight prices?

personally I can see the economy prices rising and perhaps the Premium, but will there be a slight reduction in pricing on the Upper Class seats due to increased supply?

What do you all think
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Old 15 May 19, 06:47 PM  
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I think they have only released the layout for the LHR 350s so far, whereas the tourist version that will be used on the MCO routes will have a lot less upper class and a more comparable level of economy. Although I canít remember the exact numbers, even if the total number of economy seats falls the fact itís a much more efficient aircraft should compensate (and given they are often not flying full again a full 350 should be costing less per passenger to run than a 2/3 full 747 that is burning 3 times as much fuel
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As The Fatadder has said LHR aircraft are configured with a business heavy cabin the LGW & MAN fleets will be configured in a more economy heavy cabin. I have just commented about this on another thread I suspect the 747 will still be around next summer and at that point it will start to be phased out once the summer season is out of the way.

Personally I think prices will increase as these planes need to be paid for

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can also be configured 2 class with over 400 on board so only a small drop.
Which I guess affects peak only.
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Old 15 May 19, 11:10 PM  
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Spoke to VA crew on the way back last, said I was disappointed to see VA reduce PE to 18" and UC to 20" of width on the A350 and the four A330-200 series brought in to replace the RR Dreamliner, none knew if VA would see their Dreamliners return. They agreed the loss of 3" in PE is noticeable and they too will miss the 747's.

I've seen a gradual PE fare increase, not by much, but will be interested to see fares as their A350's enter service.
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Originally Posted by steviet78 View Post
As The Fatadder has said LHR aircraft are configured with a business heavy cabin the LGW & MAN fleets will be configured in a more economy heavy cabin. I have just commented about this on another thread I suspect the 747 will still be around next summer and at that point it will start to be phased out once the summer season is out of the way.

Personally I think prices will increase as these planes need to be paid for
There's only 8 in their fleet so it's not a huge number to phase out, so the idea of them running them until late 2020 would make sense.

I would also agree that prices will increase, however the A350 is a stunning aircraft and they have to make back that $4.4 Billion somehow
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We are supposed to be on the 747 and we fly next September. I hope they don't change it as we can reserve seats from August and the seating sounds like its changing
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They can't raise the price too much without considering the competition. Tui, TC, BA and Norweigan offering other routes should protect prices a bit. Replacing the aircraft then jacking up prices and possibly reducing passengers numbers isn't good business if the aircraft end up flying under capacity and therefore making a bigger loss than 747.

VA made some bad decisions with 747 refit, change to bubble, so it's not inconceivable they would get config wrong again.
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that is really interesting, do you know if the arm rests in UC go down they way they do now, i was looking at the new UC cabin and the seats do look smaller

UC to 20" of width on the A350 and the four A330-200 series brought in to replace the RR Dreamliner,
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that is really interesting, do you know if the arm rests in UC go down they way they do now, i was looking at the new UC cabin and the seats do look smaller

UC to 20" of width on the A350 and the four A330-200 series brought in to replace the RR Dreamliner,
Hi Dot - I've only flown UC on the 747 and there are no arm rests in that herringbone layout. The PE, 21" width, seating on the 747 and A330-300 has static arm rests... if the A350-100 PE armrests are also static it may make for a tight 18" of seat width! Unfortunately, for us, an extra 1/2" is no longer a premium seat.

A crew member advised the 747's will remain on the MCO route until their put out to pasture. Toying with reverting from indirect into RSW, to MCO and driving down to Bokeelia, but, at day's end there's no aircraft type guarantee with any airline.
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