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5 Mar 19, 02:49 PM |
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I agree with this totally - a victim should always have the right to speak out.
I think you’ve nailed it for me with your last comment though - I think it’s the trial by media that I’m really struggling with, but then I guess with someone as famous as Michael Jackson, then it’s always going to be ‘out there’. But a documentary just doesn’t feel right to me - I just can’t imagine that if something like this had happened to me, that it would be a camera crew I’d be telling - but I guess these boys, now men, have grown up in a very strange showbiz world, and I can’t begin to comprehend any of it - probably another reason I’m struggling to believe it all. |
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5 Mar 19, 02:51 PM |
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So well said.
I agree. There needs to be an avenue, but a different one. It's awful to think they might have been abused. It's also awful to think of anyone being falsely accused/found guilty. There have been heart-breaking incidents of miscarriages of justice - both by courts and by the public fuelled by the media.
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5 Mar 19, 02:54 PM |
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I work in Offender Management/Safeguarding.
One of the risk assessment criteria is "emotional congruence with children" - and MJ is always used as the reference point. That doesnt imply that he is guilty - but it is a "risk indicator". What it means is that the person concerned likes and seeks out the company of chiildren, and has an emotional reliance on their company, other than that of their peers. close family members are trusted of course Unfortunately the statistics show that children are MOST at risk from a) siblings and b) close family members. Unfortunately you cant assume that just because someone is a close family member children are any safer with them then they are with a complete stranger... There are lots of reasons that children dont mention abuse or deny it when they are children. The courts are full of old men now being brought to justice over things that happened 10/20/30 years ago - this is because it often takes victims a long time to have the courage to tell their story. And on a another note it is pointless blaming the parents in these situations - abusers will groom the whole family, not just the kids. Unless - of course - the parents had concerns and ignored them etc. |
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5 Mar 19, 03:00 PM |
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Parents are generally not naive - they are used as part of the grooming process.
Look at that football coach in the north, and many former scout leaders - they worm their way into the families affections - very skilfully I might add - which then eventually gives them free reign with the kids. The concern is when parents see or suspect something is going on and THEN do nothing about it. But often the groomers are soo skillful that the parents dont have a clue... |
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5 Mar 19, 03:02 PM |
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5 Mar 19, 03:12 PM |
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Very true. I read about the Jo Broberg case and it was crazy how her family let it happen to her. The guy had an affair with both her mum and dad in order to control them. Some people are just really clever at manipulating. I still don't understand how you can let your child be abused or allow them into a situation that is clearly not normal. However there is more awareness and abnormal behaviour like this does stand out as more unusual nowadays.
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5 Mar 19, 03:35 PM |
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5 Mar 19, 03:39 PM |
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I am not a MJ fan per se, but I don’t mind his music and if there were one concert I would go to (I have never been to a concert), then I would have liked to have gone to a MJ concert.
I do not and will never know whether he was guilty or anything. But, and I am not even a parent, I cannot imagine letting my child do a sleepover with a grown man (unless he was a trusted relative). To be honest I wouldn’t with a grown woman either, because why would you. |
5 Mar 19, 03:49 PM |
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See my posts above.
The parents are often as much victims in these cases as the children. They are groomed very sophisticatedly (sp?). Most parents I would think wouldnt even give a second thought to a "sleepover" with a mega star like MJ - I mean - whats the worse that could happen? Someone like MJ would never abuse kids - would he? Im not saying whether he did or didnt but unless the parents KNEW or SUSPECTED foul play then they wouldnt be at fault. We all think our kids are most at risk from "a dirty old peado" etc or a stranger abduction... this could not be further from the truth., In my over 10 years in the offender managment role I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of offenders I have dealt with who have either abducted a child to sexually abuse them or a child who has been abused by a so called "dirty old man"! Im not saying it doesnt happen but they are very rare - which is why they make the headlines. The majority of victims are very well known to their abusers - either through family/social circles or activites. Edited at 03:51 PM. |
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5 Mar 19, 03:52 PM |
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Child abuse is sickening. Whether the parents are complicit, or not, is secondary to what is said to have happened to these children (now adults).
To answer your question Amy, I would never play a Michael Jackson song again, ever. Any enjoyment I would get from his songs would be tarnished (for me) by what took place. I could not take any joy from those songs.
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