10 year old killed by dog ( from a couple of days ago )

[CRUELLA]

The new owners of the dog fully to blame .a newly homed dog that is not used to it’s new family or home/surroundings.Any dog you take on past young puppy stage you have to assume you know nothing about it’s character and nature yet.
To introduce a stranger into the house where a new dog especially so powerful is madness !
Sadly they now know the dogs character in the worst possible way.
the poor parents of that child did they even know their child was being put in that position so utterly heartbreaking and avoidable xx

[buryboy]

Originally Posted by CRUELLA

The new owners of the dog fully to blame .a newly homed dog that is not used to it’s new family or home/surroundings.Any dog you take on past young puppy stage you have to assume you know nothing about it’s character and nature yet.
To introduce a stranger into the house where a new dog especially so powerful is madness !
Sadly they now know the dogs character in the worst possible way.
the poor parents of that child did they even know their child was being put in that position so utterly heartbreaking and unavoidable xx

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I agree with nearly all of this , but the dog itself must shoulder some blame surely ?

[daytonababe]

Originally Posted by buryboy

It was a 15 month old according to this report .
Who would buy a dog with a description of ‘ grate ( sic ) with people but unfortunately he doesn’t like other dogs at all .
I have tried my best with him but I have other dogs and can’t put them at risk ‘

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Someone who doesn’t have other dogs for a guess.


My daughters friend has a border collie , She adopted him at 10 months old , He’s brilliant in the house and with her step children .
But he hates other dogs, They’ve tried getting him specialist help but nothing has helped.

So he’s usually walked later at night when there aren’t too many others around , or he goes to work with her partner and runs round fields all day.

It’s perfectly possible to have a dog as a pet that doesn’t like other animals.

[daytonababe]

Originally Posted by buryboy

I agree with nearly all of this , but the dog itself must shoulder some blame surely ?

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How can you blame the dog ?


He didn’t ask to be re-homed , letting strangers into his new home was risky.
He apparently wasn’t any good with other dogs, But we don’t know why that was .

And this is the trouble with re-homing a dog yourself. , The new owners aren’t vetted like a responsible rescue would do.


A child has died in the most awful way , Because the dogs owners failed both the dog and the child.

[inky1]

I came across a young man walking a huge pure white dog that was muzzled and on a tight lead
Turned out to be a cross between a great Dane and a mastiff when he saw me and my lab coming toward him down a fairly wide path he stopped in his tracks
Turned out he’s great with people but attacks other dogs !
That dog was so big if he’d decided to attack something I’d be surprised if the guy could have stopped it ,
I don’t understand the joy in having a dog like that not fair on anyone .

[snowbelle]

These dogs are status symbols, showing off masculinity in a look at me way.
Or a keep away from me or this is what you will get.
People can't handle them and have no idea of their strength , aggressiveness or behaviours.
There should be a blanket ban on dangerous dogs and dogs sold on social media , but it is so rife it is impossible to police.

[buryboy]

Originally Posted by daytonababe

How can you blame the dog ?


He didn’t ask to be re-homed , letting strangers into his new home was risky.
He apparently wasn’t any good with other dogs, But we don’t know why that was .

And this is the trouble with re-homing a dog yourself. , The new owners aren’t vetted like a responsible rescue would do.


A child has died in the most awful way , Because the dogs owners failed both the dog and the child.

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I agree with everything you say .
But the responsibility can’t lie 100% the owners .
The dog has a mind of its own and can’t just be completely absolved of all responsibility.

This dog ( at least according to its previous owner ) recognised the difference between a human and another dog and hence was capable of making its own decisions.

[Tinkerbell]

Here in my dark corner of Spain all dogs are required to be on the lead in public places and if your dog is on the dangerous dogs’ list then it should be muzzled too. These dogs must also be insured and you must apply for a license. The license is not for your dog but for you. You will have to have a medical and a criminal record check to ensure that you are a fit owner for it.


There are different rules in Spain to other European countries when it comes to dangerous dogs. Dogs are not banned in the way they are in the UK but the owners and those walking a dangerous dog in Spain must be licensed.


The law that governs this is the law Real Decreto 287/2002. It includes a list of potentially dangerous dogs or ‘perros potencialmente peligrosas’ (PPP). This includes the pit bull terrier, rottweiler, Staffordshire bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, dogo argentino, fila brasileiro, Tosa Inu, and Akita Inu. Owners of these dogs must have a licence wherever they are in Spain.

However, different autonomous communities have added their own breeds to those considered to be potentially dangerous and you should check the local laws that apply to you. For example, the Valencian community has added to the core list of PPP the Doberman, Bullmastiff, dogo de burdeos, perro de presa canario, perro de presa mallorquin and the Mastin Napolitano. The law applies to dogs in Spain that are more than three months old and cross breeds too.

Even if your dog is not officially one of the listed breeds but has the following characteristics, you might require a licence:

Muscular, agile, powerful
Short hair
Strong character
Thoracic perimeter between 60 and 80cm and height at the withers between 40 and 70
Weighing above 20kg
Large head with muscular and pronounced cheeks
Strong, large jaws
Wide neck, short and muscled
Large chest, short, muscular back
Muscular hindquarters
The law is based on the assumption that it isn’t the dog that is dangerous in itself but the way that it is handled that can create a danger to others. It is the owner that must prove to the authorities in Spain that he or she is fit to be in charge of a potentially dangerous animal.


My dog fits into the red zone. I had to show I have control. Can walk calmly on a lead, I have no physical or MH issues. We have a license but don't take our mastiff out into villages. At 64 kilos her size alone scares people, fortunately we live in a rural area on a farm.

UK seem to deal with this situation after the horse has bolted. Bit too late for the many children killed by dogs

Having posted all of this, I have lost count of how many children I had through my theatre department, bitten by grannies dog or the family dog big and small because little Fido wouldn't hurt a fly..until they do..then it's too late. Dogs are wonderful animals, loyal, life enhancing BUT they're animals all said and done.

OP. I think youve posted before about dogs especially large ones as I suspect you have a deep seated fear of them. ALL dogs have the potential to cause harm majority of them don't ,there are estimated to be 12.5 million pet dogs in the UK. and whilst these tragic deaths make the headlines they're not , fortunately common.

Here's my two a Working border collie and a mastif , Spanish mastin. Both calm and relaxed would I let my grandson run around freely with either nope not without supervision.

[buryboy]

Originally Posted by daytonababe

Someone who doesn’t have other dogs for a guess.


My daughters friend has a border collie , She adopted him at 10 months old , He’s brilliant in the house and with her step children .
But he hates other dogs, They’ve tried getting him specialist help but nothing has helped.

So he’s usually walked later at night when there aren’t too many others around , or he goes to work with her partner and runs round fields all day.

It’s perfectly possible to have a dog as a pet that doesn’t like other animals.

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I am sure it’s perfectly possible to have a dog that likes people and doesn’t like other animals .
Not that I would be comfortable keeping one that showed those traits because ‘ you just never know’

But to BUY ( or take on) a dog knowing that the owner is getting rid of it because he feared for his other pets , is beyond irresponsible and whatever can be done to the new owner ( and for that matter the old owner ) by applying whatever laws there are about these kind of things is fine by me

[daytonababe]

Originally Posted by buryboy

I agree with everything you say .
But the responsibility can’t lie 100% the owners .
The dog has a mind of its own and can’t just be completely absolved of all responsibility.

This dog ( at least according to its previous owner ) recognised the difference between a human and another dog and hence was capable of making its own decisions.

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It’s a dog , how do you apportion blame to it ? How’s it ever going to understand (though i assume it’s been put to sleep now / or will be )

All dogs recognise the difference between dogs and humans, just as my dog for example knows what a cat is.

This dog should never have been sold on re homed …It should have been placed with a proper rescue who would have assessed him properly and only re homed him somewhere suitable ( if there was anyway, and assuming he wasn’t a banned breed )

I have a big Chocolate Lab , I also have a toddler living here..It’s our responsibility to keep both the dog and child safe, So they are never ever left alone together , Even though they adore each other.

Years ago my parents rescued a mix breed (lab x) , she had clearly had trauma in her life and was totally scared of all men other than my dad . So any males that came to our house were kept away from her.