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Old 12 Nov 21, 09:17 PM  
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Yes, animals have brains. Brains are needed just to function.
Iím struggling to understand why you think animals are able to use their brains in the same way as humans do?
Animals act on instinct - survival is mostly what their brains are used for. Not reasoning, or thinking whether biting something is right or wrong.
And hence is it not possible that when dogs are attacking people that they are using their instincts - and acting independently - and as such are responsible for their actions ?

Birds animals and fish travel hundreds of miles using their survival instincts . They must Ď understand Ď why they are doing it , otherwise they wouldnít repeat the same tricks year after year to survive.

I am really struggling to see the opposite point of view
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Old 12 Nov 21, 09:25 PM  
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there are bad dogs just the same as there are bad people

There are those that believe that all such incidents are the result of lack of good training but they probably believe that World War 2 wouldn't have happened if Mrs Hitler had cuddled Adolf more often
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there are bad dogs just the same as there are bad people

There are those that believe that all such incidents are the result of lack of good training but they probably believe that World War 2 wouldn't have happened if Mrs Hitler had cuddled Adolf more often
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As a non-dog owner I am completely perplexed by this and would love to understand the logic of this .
Sure , throw the book at the owners but an animal canít do something bad and be blameless .

If a dog can can be all the things that make it Ď a mans best friend Ď , can be on Britainís got talent , can be a sheepdog or a working dog in the snow etc , etc etc , then it clearly can be taught right from wrong and can be taught to be responsible for its actions . Surely it can Ď understand Ď blame just the same as it understands that it gets a treat or a Ď good boy Ď when it Ď sitsí or returns to its owner etc . Otherwise it wouldnít do it .
Why do you think all these Ď my dog wouldnít do thatí events happen ? Because the dog has a brain and doesnít always do what is expected ?
Why doesnít a dog carry on pooing on the carpet ? Because it learns that it has done wrong and gets punished accordingly .
Why are some dogs easy to train and others not - because they have a kind of their own .

I just donít get how it can be NOTHING to do with them .

I fully get that much of a dogs Ď personality Ď is taught and hence the owner has a massive say in how it reacts , but it doesnít control it 100% - which explains my fear of ( in particular big ) dogs - and why dogs like humans donít do the same thing every time .

It would be the same for any pet by the way - whether that be a cat , a horse even a rabbit . Animals have brains .
Because the owners should have had the good sense to not take in a dog with a suspect history into a household with children. Animals like dogs do not have the reasoning power humans do. They see danger/threat and react. Humans on the other hand should have the sense to protect their children from danger which includes unknown dangers. In the case of this poor child
The previous owner had advised in the ad that it wasnít trustworthy around other animals - why on earth would you bring a dog like that into a home with children?
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Because the owners should have had the good sense to not take in a dog with a suspect history into a household with children.
The previous owner had advised in the ad that it wasnít trustworthy around other animals - why on earth would you bring a dog like that into a home with children?
I have says this almost word for word previously . My point is that the owners arenít the ONLY ones to blame
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The incident in Cornwall was caused by the mother of the child taking drugs and drinking while she left her child in a different caravan with a dog who didnít belong to the family. Again - this was caused by the neglect of the mother.
This wasnít neglect by the childís mother, the dog was not owned by the family of the child that was killed 😢😢😢
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I have says this almost word fir word . My point is that the owners arenít the ONLY ones to blame
Well, whether you believe the dog is to blame or not, it paid the ultimate price for what happened (as has to happen in these cases), but the owners must be held accountable as they are responsible for the dog.
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Well, whether you believe the dog is to blame or not, it paid the ultimate price for what happened (as has to happen in these cases), but the owners must be held accountable as they are responsible for the dog.
Completely agree - buying such a dog and leaving it with children is utterly irresponsible and they should feel the full force of the law, as should the previous owner for selling it
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This wasnít neglect by the childís mother, the dog was not owned by the family of the child that was killed 😢😢😢
Iím sorry but if the mother was off in another caravan doing drugs and drinking it was absolutely neglect on her part.
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Iím sorry but if the mother was off in another caravan doing drugs and drinking it was absolutely neglect on her part.
In your post I was responding to you said Ďagainí it was neglect by the mother, in the case this thread is talking about thatís not the case, unless you mean allowing him to play out with his friend is neglect?
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