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Old 1 Jun 20, 06:49 AM  
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Originally Posted by linnite View Post
There are 6 types of human coronaviruses, vaccines have been successfully created for NONE.

If we are waiting for a vaccine heaven help us.
Yes and there are specific reasons for each. Just because they weren’t created for SARS and MERS doesn’t mean they won’t be for Covid.
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I’m not sure you’re picking up the tone of my posts correctly here. I’m not saying in any way that I think these things are right or that they should happen. I personally am quite happy to wear a mask if that’s what’s required. I also dont think that employees should be held to ransom. However, let’s be realistic. Disney is a commercial enterprise. If it’s impossible for them to enforce people wearing masks or if it’s hurting business there will have to be renegotiations. All sorts of elements will come into play. And one of those, whether anyone likes it or not, is that if the parks can’t stay open then people will lose their jobs. All I’m saying is that I could see a reasonable compromise being masks inside. The OP asked for opinions, that is mine.
Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Masks are about safety and health of CMs and guests.

Enforcement is easy, my way or the highway. Wear the mask, or wave bye bye to Mickey and co.

Disney would likely be liable and open to being sued if it could be proven that they were putting guests or CMs heath at risk by not enforcing basic social distancing/other preventive measures (such as filmed proof).
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Old 1 Jun 20, 09:04 AM  
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I think we might see a shift in quite short order once Disney see how hard it is to enforce. I would expect that soon it will only be a requirement inside. I think that would be much more palatable for people so they wouldn’t have to wear them in the heat.
Is it so hard to enforce? They enforce other rules so why not this one? Security can escort them out and ban them
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Originally Posted by cd900 View Post
I’m not sure you’re picking up the tone of my posts correctly here. I’m not saying in any way that I think these things are right or that they should happen. I personally am quite happy to wear a mask if that’s what’s required. I also dont think that employees should be held to ransom. However, let’s be realistic. Disney is a commercial enterprise. If it’s impossible for them to enforce people wearing masks or if it’s hurting business there will have to be renegotiations. All sorts of elements will come into play. And one of those, whether anyone likes it or not, is that if the parks can’t stay open then people will lose their jobs. All I’m saying is that I could see a reasonable compromise being masks inside. The OP asked for opinions, that is mine.
Why would there have to be renegotiations? "Sorry, employees, we can't enforce the masks so if you want to keep your jobs, you have to relent and ease up on the restrictions"? Lawsuits galore.

Easy to enforce. Wear the masks or be escorted from the property. Believe me, they will be replaced with guests who will keep their masks firmly in place all day.

I really appreciate your point of view. I totally support your right to your own opinion. I understand the points you're making.
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I also think that, as with everything else, mask restrictions will start to lift. Probably with an inside - masks mandatory, outside - masks optional.

I also think that what the union leaders say isn't always representative of what they employees on the shop floor think.

People saying it is easy and a "my way or the high way" sort of thing I don't think have thought it through. How many times will videos/pictures/news reports of families being thrown out because a 2 year old took their mask off have to happen before it started damaging the companies?

I also think that this is just what I personally think and as such I don't think anyone can say that they think I am wrong.

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No one is wrong, no one is right, everyone is guessing, and everyone's opinion is valid.
Hopefully the situation will get better soon. Masks in central Florida in the heat will be absolutely disgusting, uncomfortable and gross.
Beyond masks, what I personally am hoping for is that people stop getting sick and dying.
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Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Masks are about safety and health of CMs and guests.

Enforcement is easy, my way or the highway. Wear the mask, or wave bye bye to Mickey and co.

Disney would likely be liable and open to being sued if it could be proven that they were putting guests or CMs heath at risk by not enforcing basic social distancing/other preventive measures (such as filmed proof).
We can disagree about whether this may or may not come to pass but I don’t think my point of view makes no sense.

I enjoy the healthy debate about this and ultimately only time will tell what happens with masks. Different countries are taking different approaches with masks based on the evidence available to them. In the UK, for example, we’re being told masks inside - yes, masks outside- probably not necessary. So the guidance could change, Disney could update their protocols, the union could reconsider their position etc etc etc. I think all businesses will be keen to find an approach which is supported by the science, keeps people as safe as possible and keeps guests and employees as happy as possible. Whilst I see that masks being mandatory for now makes sense to tick all of those boxes, this can, and will, change.

And I do think it’s easier said than done to enforce 50,000 people wearing masks at all times. There is a significant possibility that once this is all up and running they realise that masks plus 34 degree heat = all manner of problems. Who knows! Like I said, I’m happy to wear my mask, if I get the opportunity to do so.

In the meantime, let’s agree to disagree and I won’t insult you by saying you make no sense (even if I do preface it with “sorry”)
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Originally Posted by TerryYa View Post
I also think that, as with everything else, mask restrictions will start to lift. Probably with an inside - masks mandatory, outside - masks optional.

I also think that what the union leaders say isn't always representative of what they employees on the shop floor think.

People saying it is easy and a "my way or the high way" sort of thing I don't think have thought it through. How many times will videso/pictures/news reports of families being thrown out because a 2 year old took their mask off have to happen before it started damaging the companies?

I also think that this is just what I personally think and as such I don't think anyone can say that they think I am wrong.
Excellent post. I go on a couple of American FB pages and the cast members on there said they thought masks should be recommended for guests, not mandatory. They also said they weren't asked to vote on it, it's all down to the union. And I agree, there will be a lot of bad publicity once the parks open and people get thrown out over it. A lot of people aren't happy with them as it is with all the restrictions and this will just make things worse for them.
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Excellent post. I go on a couple of American FB pages and the cast members on there said they thought masks should be recommended for guests, not mandatory. They also said they weren't asked to vote on it, it's all down to the union. And I agree, there will be a lot of bad publicity once the parks open and people get thrown out over it. A lot of people aren't happy with them as it is with all the restrictions and this will just make things worse for them.
What American Facebook pages would this be? I’m interested to read them too. Groups? What are the Groups called?

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Well they are not enforcing the masks in Disney Springs, watching any Vlogs you see people with masks half on , or off
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