Notices
Disney Cruise Line and Other Cruise Planning Cruise Questions and Tips.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 1 May 20, 10:33 AM  
Link to this Post
#31
2point
VIP Dibber
 
Join Date: Aug 04
We're booked on the Harmony this Sept, very likely we are pushing it back to next year. It's a combination of saving money - we had DVC booked in May but cancelled and rebooked for Sept, and not wanting to risk being stranded on a ship.

Next Sept suits us, no real drama about it.
2point is offline Boy Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 10:38 AM  
Link to this Post
#32
soraia
Thread Starter
Very Serious Dibber
 
soraia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 11
Location: London
Really interesting to hear everyone's views on this - there seem to be a lot of people who are still keen to cruise but want to wait it out to see how it goes so potentially 2021/2022. Thanks for sharing and keep them coming

Originally Posted by Omega1 View Post
The most important measure that cruise lines will have to implement has been glossed over in the main and that’s social distancing. The only real way to do it would be to sail with a well below passenger capacity level, and given that cruise line’s profitability comes from on-board spend the virus is going to impact on economic viability for a long time to come. The only light at the end of the tunnel for cruising is a reliable antibody test and vaccine.
Yes this is the big point - cruise ships do everything they can to sail at full (or near to full) capacity to turn a profit so I'm wondering how they will be able to implement social distancing on their ships.

If CDC regulations state cruises can only operate at, say, 50% capacity for example will that even be worth it for them or will they be operating at a loss I wonder? Although I suppose if this is the case they will also sail with less crew (so less labor costs) and with limited activities etc they'll probably also increase prices for things like excursions, specialty dining or have up charges for things maybe to try and make some profit.

Interesting times ahead...
soraia is offline Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 10:43 AM  
Link to this Post
#33
Melanie R
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Jul 09
Location: Lancashire

theDIBB Guidebook
Pages Created: 2
Mobile

I’m not understanding why cruises are being singled out as especially difficult for social distancing - surely lots of all inclusive resorts will have exactly the same issues, as will flights etc. I think the travel industry as a whole will be looking to make adjustments, yet many seem to single out cruises as the bigger issue.
__________________
20 x DLP, 8 x WDW

Duchess Adventures! - Trip report index
Melanie R is online now Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 11:05 AM  
Link to this Post
#34
soraia
Thread Starter
Very Serious Dibber
 
soraia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 11
Location: London
I definitely don't think cruising is the biggest issue - I was just keen to hear people's opinions about cruising in particular as I had heard from friends/family that they are really put off cruising and most say they won't even consider cruising again in the future even when (hopefully) this pandemic is long behind us or we have a vaccine etc, which surprised me. Whereas they don't imagine they will never get on a plane or go on holiday again so I was wondering what other dibbers thought and trying to understand the psychology behind it.

But yes, you're right - the tourism industry in general will go through a very hard time over the coming months and years for sure.
soraia is offline Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 12:48 PM  
Link to this Post
#35
jsl0801
Very Serious Dibber
 
jsl0801's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 12
we were supposed to be on a 15 day repositional cruise from Jamaica at present with Marella. This would have been our 4th cruise with them in 20 months. I wont go on another cruise this year but all going well next year I would have no hesitation in booking another. TUI have still not been in touch to offer a credit voucher which I am not accepting. I want a full refund just incase they go out of business.. I am on all the facebook pages and they are getting really bad publicity about the way they are handling things.. People have had full refunds for holidays in May and people who were supposed to go in March & April have not heard anything. I have not phoned them yet as I cannot be bothered hanging on the phone for between 1 & 2 hours, I will give them to the end of this month see if they get in touch with me.
__________________
jsl0801 is offline Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 01:03 PM  
Link to this Post
#36
Omega1
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Jan 08
Originally Posted by Melanie R View Post
I’m not understanding why cruises are being singled out as especially difficult for social distancing - surely lots of all inclusive resorts will have exactly the same issues, as will flights etc. I think the travel industry as a whole will be looking to make adjustments, yet many seem to single out cruises as the bigger issue.
You’re right that tourism in general has issues but, cruising has some unique features that make it particularly vulnerable to infection spread - the tag line of floating Petri dishes has some resonance.
I can’t think of any other tourism venue/resort where 2500 to 5500 people arrive on the same day and all stay in confined proximity for the same duration. I can only recall one or two resorts that had issues whereas the number and scale of cruise ship mass infections were significant. Add to that the problems of ships being denied entry to ports only serves to compound the problems.
Omega1 is offline Boy Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 01:21 PM  
Link to this Post
#37
gismo1554
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Aug 06
To add the same comment about petridish could be said for planes though just on a shorter term (but hey you can pick up a bug in that time) and they are suggesting flying under capacity which is then going to impact profits.

I don't believe any cruise line needs to run at 100% capacity to make a profit. I have been on cruises with 50% occupancy and I don't believe they loose money but do think they will impact them. I think they will get rid of buffets (at least the self service part) and that they will reduce activities etc. Price wise, I think they will actually not start increasing things straight away as some things will have already been booked and priced up so they can't change excursion prices once booked I assume and same with speciality dining. That said though I expect there will be a subtle increase once they do start up to try and claw back some profit.

I guess none of us really know but I am still holding out for my cruise. I've had to cancel the family trip to Disney in May so this is my light at the end of this dark tunnel.
__________________
Sarah
gismo1554 is offline Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 02:09 PM  
Link to this Post
#38
Omega1
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Jan 08
Originally Posted by gismo1554 View Post
To add the same comment about petridish could be said for planes though just on a shorter term (but hey you can pick up a bug in that time) and they are suggesting flying under capacity which is then going to impact profits.

I don't believe any cruise line needs to run at 100% capacity to make a profit. I have been on cruises with 50% occupancy and I don't believe they loose money but do think they will impact them. I think they will get rid of buffets (at least the self service part) and that they will reduce activities etc. Price wise, I think they will actually not start increasing things straight away as some things will have already been booked and priced up so they can't change excursion prices once booked I assume and same with speciality dining. That said though I expect there will be a subtle increase once they do start up to try and claw back some profit.

I guess none of us really know but I am still holding out for my cruise. I've had to cancel the family trip to Disney in May so this is my light at the end of this dark tunnel.
It’s unusual for cruise ships to sail at 50% occupancy. The cruise lines have high fixed costs (like airlines) that require very high occupancy to be profitable. The costs are virtually the same whether they sail with 10% or 100% occupancy. They virtually give away cabins near to sail date (and do give cabins away to casino club members) because their profitability depends on on-board spends.
Omega1 is offline Boy Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 02:32 PM  
Link to this Post
#39
gismo1554
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Aug 06
Originally Posted by Omega1 View Post
It’s unusual for cruise ships to sail at 50% occupancy. The cruise lines have high fixed costs (like airlines) that require very high occupancy to be profitable. The costs are virtually the same whether they sail with 10% or 100% occupancy. They virtually give away cabins near to sail date (and do give cabins away to casino club members) because their profitability depends on on-board spends.
Fair point and hadn't seen the costs before so that's interesting to know. I think if they do sail at low occupency though they will cut staff as well down and so some would be offset but yes lots of the costs I guess can't be cut or reduced.
__________________
Sarah
gismo1554 is offline Girl Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Old 1 May 20, 03:07 PM  
Link to this Post
#40
Omega1
Imagineer
 
Join Date: Jan 08
Originally Posted by gismo1554 View Post
Fair point and hadn't seen the costs before so that's interesting to know. I think if they do sail at low occupency though they will cut staff as well down and so some would be offset but yes lots of the costs I guess can't be cut or reduced.
Yes, I was surprised when I saw the breakdown. Fewer passengers would mean fewer crew - but fewer of the cheaper crew probably. It’s a complicated business.😢
I need to go on a cruise!

Edited at 03:09 PM.
Omega1 is offline Boy Mouse Click to view Members Trip Plans Add Member to Ignore List
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin - Copyright © 2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
DIBB Savings
AttractionTickets.com

Get £10 off each Disney Ticket with the code ATDIBB10

Get up to £50 off per room at Disney or Universal with the code DIBBHOTELS


theDIBB Blog
One of the the five worlds found in Epic Universe, How to Train Your Dragon... Read More »
Disney announced that a new nighttime show, “Disney Dreams That Soar,” will run nightly at... Read More »
Walt Disney World Resort guests can get ready to have a “glowing’’ good time when... Read More »


theDIBB Menu


Exchange Rates
US Dollar Rates
ASDA  $1.2368
CaxtonFX  $1.2321
Covent Garden FX  $1.2500
FAIRFX  $1.2365
John Lewis  $1.2398
M&S  $1.2191
Sainsburys  $1.2357
TESCO  $1.2364
Travelex  $1.2361
Updated: 15:30 29/03/2024
Euro Rates
ASDA  €1.1447
CaxtonFX  €1.1417
Covent Garden FX  €1.1523
FAIRFX  €1.1468
John Lewis  €1.1477
M&S  €1.1289
Sainsburys  €1.1440
TESCO  €1.1445
Travelex  €1.1469
Updated: 15:30 29/03/2024

DIBB Premium Membership
Did you know you can help support theDIBB with Premium Membership?

Check out this link for more information and benefits, such as...

"No adverts on theDIBB Forums"

Upgrade Now



X