Redundancy

[Lisa-72]

Originally Posted by pretty71

I see it this way too, is it the management position being made redundant or the position of the 2 below you?

If it's the management position it would be you or the other position?

Are they changing the role of the others too and if this is the case and it's your position going could you apply with the others for that role?

It's a horrible situation i hope it's not too awful.

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We’ve been told it’s a person who has to go, it’s not cost effective to have 3 of us.
The person doing the consultation is my manager.
There is no mention of a role in our consultation just a “person”
The part timer has volunteered but I’m still worried about me.

[suehen]

I was made redundant in Aug 2017 our work place was closing as the contract had ended. Every from 2015 know and each department roles were split into Department Managers, Team Leaders, Team Coaches, Level 4 staff, Level 3 staff and finally level 2, from my understanding it was across the whole site and you were given a score within your group level. At least we all known for 2 years the site was closing the first 3 rounds of redundancy were covered by people choose to leave. I was one of a few which was asked to stay until near the end but I asked to leave the end of Aug, as the final one was Christmas Eve and did not want to think about losing a job over Christmas it worked out for me I found another job which I started 3 weeks after finishing.

Sorry you are going though this its not nice I know after being made redundant twice now last time was better as had time to plan, first time over 20 years ago found out, picking my children up from school all on a news boards outside the newsagents went home rang work and was told over the phone yes you are losing your job in 2 weeks, that was not a good way to find out they only saving grace there is work there for 10 years and ended up with a good payout as they had not followed any process at the time.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Lisa-72

We’ve been told it’s a person who has to go, it’s not cost effective to have 3 of us.
The person doing the consultation is my manager.
There is no mention of a role in our consultation just a “person”
The part timer has volunteered but I’m still worried about me.

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They can say that but in UK redundancy law you can only make a position redundant (and that then necessitates that someone is let go).

They need to engage a HR professional urgently or they are going to get taken to the cleaners in a wrongful termination law suit

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Lisa-72

We’ve been told it’s a person who has to go, it’s not cost effective to have 3 of us.
The person doing the consultation is my manager.
There is no mention of a role in our consultation just a “person”
The part timer has volunteered but I’m still worried about me.

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In principle, I think it would be fairly easy for management to draw up a new organisation chart, eliminating one of the positions at will and then making the person occupying that role redundant.

In practice they are going about it all wrong, the redundancy pool is the correct thing to do for like positions, it is totally the wrong thing to do here. The management should also be using the correct language by only ever referring to roles being made redundant not individuals.

If you were made redundant as a result of a pool scoring process, assuming you have been there for over two years, I believe you would have grounds for unfair dismissal. Redundancy is a legitimate reason for fair dismissal, but only if the process is carried out correctly.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Claudette

In principle, I think it would be fairly easy for management to draw up a new organisation chart, eliminating one of the positions at will and then making the person occupying that role redundant.

In practice they are going about it all wrong, the redundancy pool is the correct thing to do for like positions, it is totally the wrong thing to do here. The management should also be using the correct language by only ever referring to roles being made redundant not individuals.

If you were made redundant as a result of a pool scoring process, assuming you have been there for over two years, I believe you would have grounds for unfair dismissal. Redundancy is a legitimate reason for fair dismissal, but only if the process is carried out correctly.

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You said it much better than I did

[Lisa-72]

Thanks everyone, I suspect it will be me in which case I’ll go and go straight to ACAS

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Lisa-72

Thanks everyone, I suspect it will be me in which case I’ll go and go straight to ACAS

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How long have you worked there?

[Lisa-72]

Originally Posted by Claudette

How long have you worked there?

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Only 3 years

[Beth_Disney]

You have more legal protection when you've been there longer than two years so that's definitely positive

citizensadvice.uk/wo...dancy-process/

[tspill]

Originally Posted by Lisa-72

Thanks everyone, I suspect it will be me in which case I’ll go and go straight to ACAS

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You need to be absolutely clear here on the outcome you want. The last thing you want is a whole load lf pain and stress and not get what you want.

While technically, everything that has been said above about redundancy is true in terms of structure and rules. However is is very simple to manipulate (happens in pretty much every redundancy situation). In which case you will achieve little.

Say you get to stay as a result - will you really want to work in the environment following the "trouble" you might cause?
What result do you want here?