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Old 30 Dec 20, 06:55 PM  
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I have given hours of my time defending people who I know are right but it's not always possible to prove it. Every now and then a case comes along where you have all the evidence and proof and this one of them and it's a great day for any union rep. Ok?
I don't think it's me with the power complex!
It's definitely not you with the power complex!

Well done for helping so many people who we're in the right.
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Old 30 Dec 20, 07:35 PM  
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I've been pondering who this mystery big UK company could be that could be part of an offer on cereals but not fit their strategic brand.

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Old 30 Dec 20, 07:39 PM  
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I've got a strong feeling it's Ann Summers.

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Old 30 Dec 20, 07:40 PM  
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As others have said, IT groups can check records and see that the email was sent, time and from which IP address and when.

Keep your discussion factual and emotionless as possible, stick to facts and logical arguments if you can.

Lets assume the IT team back you up with evidence that shows time and where sent from. this other persons machine.

Say things like:

The evidence shows that it was not sent by me, how exactly would I have forged it?

The only way I know to send it is to have this other persons login details, log onto their machine and send the email, so if I did have these, why did I send but one email? I have proof that I did not send the email in question, apart from the person, to whom all evidence points, saying they did not do it, why do you think it is me?

I have been through situations not quite like this before, and had to make sure the evidence was there, else the company feared being sued for things like constructive dismissal.

Another thing, where were you at the time this other email was sent?
Sat in your office on your own?
Doing a presentation to 20 people?
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Old 30 Dec 20, 07:56 PM  
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ridiculous statement even for tory boys and girls. Pathetic bunch. Remember all the pay, welfare, health and safety and work practices you, your friends children and grandchildren are enjoying have come from the sweat and blood of past workers who formed unions to have a better working life and considerate bosses who acknowledged a safe and happy workplace is best.
Sorry to go off this thread as it’s important for the op. But theses tories.
again --- im not a tory
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Old 30 Dec 20, 08:10 PM  
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If I were you OP, I would not attend a meeting tomorrow and I definitely would not respond to your colleague that has made these accusations. I also would not start a grievance at this point, it is premature.

I think you shouldn’t do anything until the IT investigations are completed. I think that will resolve the matter in no time.

I once had somebody forge an email from me, they took a genuine email I had sent to them, deleted my text, replaced it with their own text and then forwarded it on with a cover note along the lines of “Claudette wants you to do this, see below”. This was to their own subordinate but I was more senior and so it gave it more clout. I found out because the recipient replied to his manager but copied me in. I sent an email to the individual only saying “I don’t remember sending that email to you John”. I then alerted the iT fraud department and within six hours they confirmed that the original email from me was something completely different and had been doctored before being sent on.

I was really shook up at having an email forged in my name, but the truth was clarified very quickly. Let that happen as the next step.

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Originally Posted by EssexSue View Post
I have given hours of my time defending people who I know are right but it's not always possible to prove it. Every now and then a case comes along where you have all the evidence and proof and this one of them and it's a great day for any union rep. Ok?
I don't think it's me with the power complex!
Absolutely correct.
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Old 30 Dec 20, 08:23 PM  
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Because all unions exist only to make trouble and allow people with "power-complexes" to have an outlet for their desires.

As I've said before the UK will be better when the Tories follow through on their plans to outlaw/neuter them
they had there place many many years ago now they just destroy industry they have since the 70s
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they had there place many many years ago now they just destroy industry they have since the 70s
I would never not be in my union. If a student accused me of something, they will be the only ones fighting my corner. And I say this being of course innocent of any wrong doing!
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I would never not be in my union. If a student accused me of something, they will be the only ones fighting my corner. And I say this being of course innocent of any wrong doing!
I think they have their place, but as a professional working for a large organisation I would never contemplate joining one. So I do understand why OP never has. All my jobs I’ve had to opt out of working time directives and the like anyway. I vote Labour, always have and likely always will, but I do think unions ‘can’ be problematic
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