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Old 11 Jan 20, 02:28 PM  
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We have 4 Border Terriers and one of them has issues with her ears and skin. We had her at the vet just after Christmas and she was put on a course of steroids which is due to finish this week. We bought hydrolysed dog food for her on the vets advice. Basically the water breaks the protein into such small pieces that the immune system no longer reacts. The difference in 2 weeks is amazing. We are hoping it continues once she is off the steroids totally.
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I did reply to your earlier posts, you might recall we had a Labrador with similar symptoms. We had allergy testing with her at a huge animal facility in Newmarket which we were referred to by our vet. They developed a serum for her. I canít remember the exact costs but we think around £2,000. This was in 2008 ish. We then had to learn to inject this. I think first it was every few days, then weekly then once per month. This was covered under our pet insurance. Unfortunately it didnít get the symptoms under control but we were glad we tried it. The only thing that worked for her was a daily steroid and 2 piriton in am and 2 in pm. We agonised about giving her a daily steroid we were worried about the long term prognosis and spent a good few months fiddling with the dose so she would have the lowest dose possible. We tried one every other day, half a day etc. Anyway this all developed around 18 months old and she lived to nearly 11. We took the view we would prefer her to have a happy shorter life than to be itchy all the time and get infections all the time. The vets did recommend a treatment called atopica which I think does something to the dogs immune system. This was a new drug at the time and would have exceeded our insurance levels quite quickly, we had a young family and not too much spare money so we declined that drug. Subsequent reading about atopica I think the side effects are quite great so Iím glad we didnít use it.

I really feel for you itís miserable for the dogs. You will find something that eases things for him Iím sure.
Thanks for your reply. I can remember you saying you had a dog with issues before. Sadly I cant see me being able to inject Bill with anything. I cant get anywhere near him with drops. I've sat for hours desperately trying. I'm going to register at another vets who are an old school independent one and get some more advice. I had a quote March 2019 for £359 for the ear wash etc this months quote for the same has rocketed to £585 with the only addition of an ear swab that I was charged £70 for last time. The vet said himself its likely to be a mixed fungal growth if any again. He said it wouldn't help too it just feels like money is the driver not poor Bill's condition.
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We have 4 Border Terriers and one of them has issues with her ears and skin. We had her at the vet just after Christmas and she was put on a course of steroids which is due to finish this week. We bought hydrolysed dog food for her on the vets advice. Basically the water breaks the protein into such small pieces that the immune system no longer reacts. The difference in 2 weeks is amazing. We are hoping it continues once she is off the steroids totally.
Fingers crossed for you. Bill's been like a different dog on treatment. No chewing biting licking shuffling scratching head shaking all day long poor boy.
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Funny you say that about the vets. We are with what we consider old school family run vets now too, itís much better. Weíve got a terrier with a delicate tummy and it was a letís try x y and z, if it doesnít work then she would need tests. Our old vets would be straight in with evasive expensive investigations.
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Funny you say that about the vets. We are with what we consider old school family run vets now too, itís much better. Weíve got a terrier with a delicate tummy and it was a letís try x y and z, if it doesnít work then she would need tests. Our old vets would be straight in with evasive expensive investigations.
Most of the vets here are now under one group. It just seems that everything is added on with no discussion. Pre op blood tests were always an optional thing now they always appear on the quote. It would be nice to see the same vet twice as they all differ so much in the advice they give.
Bill seemed fine until the steroid dose dropped from one maybe a half down to a quarter a day.

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We really tried to avoid steroids because of long term use fear, but Iím afraid itís all that worked for Agathaís skin. As soon as the steroids were stopped all the problems came back. She also developed early onset arthritis at 6 (the vets didnít say that was related to steroid use) so was an unlucky dog bless her - we loved her though and she definitely loved us especially my Husband. I would be with her all day but wouldnít get a look in when he came home! I think we were lucky to have her until a month short of her 11th birthday.
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We really tried to avoid steroids because of long term use fear, but Iím afraid itís all that worked for Agathaís skin. As soon as the steroids were stopped all the problems came back. She also developed early onset arthritis at 6 (the vets didnít say that was related to steroid use) so was an unlucky dog bless her - we loved her though and she definitely loved us especially my Husband. I would be with her all day but wouldnít get a look in when he came home! I think we were lucky to have her until a month short of her 11th birthday.
Oh bless her. Bill's definitely my dog until any man comes to the house Plumber painter milkman ( if I was up early enough to see him lol) He tries to run rings round me but goes very calm in the presence of a chap. I think I will opt for quality of life with steroid use. When hes itching scratching etc he looks so agitated and miserable,not nice for him.
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See what your other vet thinks and go from there. It does make them miserable and Agís hair didnít ever grow back on her tummy and around her bottom where she had itched and nibbled it. Good luck, let us know how Bill gets on xx
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See what your other vet thinks and go from there. It does make them miserable and Agís hair didnít ever grow back on her tummy and around her bottom where she had itched and nibbled it. Good luck, let us know how Bill gets on xx
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One of mine has allergies, he's worse in the summer so general conclusion is it's grass and pollen? My vet recommend James Wellbeloved Turkey and rice and veg.? Turkey being the easiest to digest! He also has Apoquel tablets for the itching? The food made such a difference! The flakey skin has gone and his coat is glossy, bottom dragging has reduced 80% too! He's has stopped Apoquel in the winter totally and on 1/2 tablet every other day in the spring/summer only! Used to take 2 a day before the food change? He was on good quality food before (lilys kitchen?) This looks less appealing and I'm frankly amazed it worked! Might be worth a try? Good luck it's awful to see them suffer!
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