Walkers Grr

[YorkshireT]

Originally Posted by Kellea

I'm sorry to be dopey but what exactly does walking mean?

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Anyone wanting to book has to book on 11 or 7 months for v difficult to get reservations.

The first day is crucial. If you can't book the first day, you can't book the rest as the first day is the one that is exactly 11 or 7 months out.

So walking is trying to get that first day early. This may be to give you many more chances, or to book it in a quieter time than when you really want it.

Then when, say, you have your 4 days booked but at earlier dates, you go on and amend it every few days, dropping the first few days and adding them onto the end- thus edging (or walking) to your desired date.

This locks anyone out of that crucial first day.

Of course this works much better at 11 months than 7 because an owner can leapfrog a 7 month none resort owner.

[marlouwrig]

I am currently having the same problem. Tried today, bang on the 11 month window at exactly 2pm but no joy. Just the first day just not available. Following 6 are but just not the first day

[YorkshireT]

Originally Posted by marlouwrig

I am currently having the same problem. Tried today, bang on the 11 month window at exactly 2pm but no joy. Just the first day just not available. Following 6 are but just not the first day

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1pm I think, 8 am US time online.

[marlouwrig]

Originally Posted by YorkshireT

1pm I think, 8 am US time online.

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Really? OK. I'll move some things around and try again tomorrow

[gavvy]

In the end I followed the walkers and added on each day as the walkers moved on. This worked well for September, but looking at October I would have failed at the BWV. Most rooms are taken in the first 11 days of October already, Most of September is still free.

Ideally, I wanted October but am happy with my dates in September, I hopefully get to go to a moonlight magic event as well.

Next year if you want October you may have to start walking end of July... which is Madness.

[amy56]

Originally Posted by gavvy

Next year if you want October you may have to start walking end of July... which is Madness.

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It’s truly awful and is the one thing that is pushing me to sell my DVC - to not be able to book your home resort even if you are willing to plan far far ahead means there is definitely a flaw in the system in my book. ☹️

I’m hoping DVC iron out the problem, but (a) I think that there is no way of pleasing everyone and (b) As the problem concerns the members rather than DVC itself, I sadly don’t think they care enough about us to do anything about it. Gradually losing faith in Disney more and more, which is sad as I’ve been an ardent fan for 40 years 😢

[YorkshireT]

Could be worse Gavvy you could be after a Copper Creek studio, which is now booking up 11 months out regularly, never mind in peak times.

[amy56]

Originally Posted by YorkshireT

Could be worse Gavvy you could be after a Copper Creek studio, which is now booking up 11 months out regularly, never mind in peak times.

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I’m not surprised sadly - the nature of DVC now seems that everyone is buying just a few points (don’t blame them due to cost!) and then using them in the studios. I’m only surprised that I haven’t heard more problems with the Poly studios - I can’t imagine many people would of bought in there planning to use the bungalows - but I don’t hear many complaints about the studios there being booked up at 11 months, or perhaps I’ve just missed them?

I really don’t know what the answer is - as I don’t think Disney are going to worry about it! ☹️

[YorkshireT]

Originally Posted by amy56

I’m not surprised sadly - the nature of DVC now seems that everyone is buying just a few points (don’t blame them due to cost!) and then using them in the studios. I’m only surprised that I haven’t heard more problems with the Poly studios - I can’t imagine many people would of bought in there planning to use the bungalows - but I don’t hear many complaints about the studios there being booked up at 11 months, or perhaps I’ve just missed them?

I really don’t know what the answer is - as I don’t think Disney are going to worry about it! ☹️

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The Poly bungalows do not impact as much Amy as there are more studios. DVC really did do the owners no good with those cabins at Copper Creek- huge availability problem. I said it would be ages ago when they started selling it, it was just a mathematical calculation- it did not make sense. I am still convinced those cabins and bungalows are about the most profitable real estate on earth. I would be surprised if they cost more than $250 k to build, but let's be really generous and say $500k. The total points for the cabins are 41,350 a year. What was the average selling price? Say $170? That is over $7 million per cabin- can you imagine?
Lets look at it a bit further. There are 3,321,966 points in total at Copper Creek. There are 26 cabins. So just under a third of the total points at Copper Creek are on these cabins alone (26 x 41350= 1,075,100.)
There are 42 studios. There are also 36 2 bed lock offs, so potentially some of those will go as studios- say half. So maybe there are a total of 60 studios at any one time. Not that many really. A studio costs 6243 points per annum. So if we assume half of 2 bed lockoffs go as studios (could be more or less but wont be far off), total points allocated to studios are 374,580 points a year. So the points available for studios are a fraction of what those cabins are. Imagine if instead they had built studios, there could have been over three times as many as there are now.
Let's look at square footage. A studio is 338 square feet. So DVC sell 18.47 points per square foot for a studio. Now a cabin is 1,737 square feet. They sell 23.80 points per square footage of cabin. Not only that, but if they are not booked up at 60 days, DVC can take them as 'breakage'. Initially this money goes to paying towards DVC but tops out at a sum I cannot remember, then that goes into profits for DVC. Any wonder on these maths they like to build cabins!?
Now let us compare to Poly. Poly has a massive 360 studios and only 20 bungalows. So an unbelievable 300 more studios than Copper Creek and 6 less cabins. This will hopefully explain it very clearly why studio availability has not been the same issue at Poly- despite those bungalows often being unbooked at Poly.
The massive issue at Copper Creek will not go away because of the maths above.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by amy56

I’m not surprised sadly - the nature of DVC now seems that everyone is buying just a few points (don’t blame them due to cost!) and then using them in the studios.

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This is exactly why we just bought enough points to get us up to 1 beds. Owners are getting more and more points savvy as the price to buy in increases, and the impact on "low" season standard studios is ridiculous. We did a cash stay this month just to avoid fighting for a VGF standard studio over the F&W race weekend.