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Old 3 Oct 24, 03:32 PM  
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Originally Posted by Itsabunthing View Post
I find that comment very offensive. I know you have a blunt posting style at times, but I really think you need to reconsider this post.

What about ex-forces personnel suffering PTSD, or people with mental health problems, or people who come from abusive backgrounds? Are they weak and lazy? Have they made ridiculous choices?

Seriously, please re-think your post.
I agree with this completely. It’s sad to me that people actually think this way.

I grew up with both parents having alcohol dependency issues and mental health issues. I also have a brother who is schizophrenic. My mum worked for sixty hours a week for over twenty years and then had a huge breakdown and had to stop working completely. She isn’t lazy, she’s just broken because of trauma she went through.

It breaks my heart to think that when my brother was going through his psychotic break that people could look him in such a negative way, but they probably did and I know some people do still give him dirty looks because he has Tourette’s, they assume he’s on drugs.

I had a traumatic start to life and I’ve had issues with mental health myself and sometimes I’ve found hitting the bottle very tempting. Things could all go very differently for me one day and I could break like my parents did. Just because I haven’t so far that doesn’t mean I’m any better than anyone else. I hold down full time work now but that doesn’t mean I don’t find it hard getting up some mornings.

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Old 3 Oct 24, 03:33 PM  
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Because people make ridiculously poor choices in life and are weak and lazy
I work in addiction services. I hear peoples stories. You are wrong.

What is weak and lazy is taking no time to have any empathy or compassion and saying the same
old thing every time.

Society is decaying because too many people like stopped caring and blamed and judged instead.

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Old 3 Oct 24, 03:38 PM  
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Because people make ridiculously poor choices in life and are weak and lazy
Haven’t you posted this topic before and then I notice bragging about upper class flights. Not everyone is as lucky as you or had the same opportunities in life.
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Sorry but no, I am coming at this from the other angle. I work on the high street and I am sick and tired of being abused by people under the influence of drink and drugs. I could write a book on the things I have seen. Why automatically ask why are people street drinking? Not everyone that is a street drinker has had a ‘tough life’ I’m tired of a woke society making excuses for poor behaviour.
I'm not "making excuses for poor behaviour", merely asking that instead of making such a sweeping statement that all street drinkers are weak, lazy and make poor life choices (sure, some can be put in this category) that you consider that as well as those you are referring to, there are lots of others there through no real choice of their own.
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Sorry but no, I am coming at this from the other angle. I work on the high street and I am sick and tired of being abused by people under the influence of drink and drugs. I could write a book on the things I have seen. Why automatically ask why are people street drinking? Not everyone that is a street drinker has had a ‘tough life’ I’m tired of a woke society making excuses for poor behaviour.
Do you know what woke means?

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So like abortion, religion and taking children out of school this will be another argument that I refuse to be involved in because I will never change anyone mind.

BUT

I have worked and volunteered for many years with people less privileged, I have worked in homeless shelters here and in the USA. Anyone, anyone can become a 'Street drinker'. We are all just a few knock from the bottom. Death, redundancy, divorce, addictive personality, mental health issues, physical health problems, isolation. If you can see that then you have a problem not me.

That's it I'm done, I won't change your mind you won't change mine.
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On a daily basis I see the decay of common decency. At a work meeting and popped to Greggs for lunch. 3 street drinkers walk in a bold as brass and opened a bag and filled it with the contents of the shelves. The server said we are told to let them walk out and not to challenge them. Society is broken 😞
This is really sad for them & the staff & also us who will pay the increase cost due to the losses
I might try this on Saturday as we unbelievably have 3 Greggs on the High Street
Do you think they’ll mind if I take a few Belgian buns & doughnuts 🤷😋😋
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Haven’t you posted this topic before and then I notice bragging about upper class flights. Not everyone is as lucky as you or had the same opportunities in life.
Similar topic yes. Show me where I was bragging? Just commenting. Not been lucky in my life and suffered considerable trauma as a child and made very good decisions, I work extremely hard and save very hard is why I have been able to fly upper. Flew upper class 3 times now and bid for it rather than pay outright and paid cheap money for it. I grew up on the poorest council estate in south London with a terrible ‘family’ I’m sorry if I find street drink and shoplifting unacceptable and don’t automatically look to make excuses for them
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I dealt with general crime and those committing it for the first 10 years of my career in the Police, much of it in a ‘volume crime unit’. My thoughts are very much with the ‘real victims’ of what are Criminal Offences, namely the Sales Staff who have to tolerate it and the Customers who then have to pay for the stolen items through increased prices within their own shop.

People commit petty crime for a number of reasons and this becomes apparent both through interview and a study of antecedent information relating to that individual offender.

I would agree that many are in fact incorrigible rogues who struggle to recognise the criminality of their actions, but it would also be both wrong and unfair to label all such petty offenders by stereotype.

Some are where they are because they know no better, having been brought up in socially deprived areas where theft is barely recognised as crime.

Some have been the victim of poor parenting resulting in a failure to differentiate between right and wrong.

Some have started life well, but for various reasons, some not of their own making, fallen into hard times and desperation.

Some have mental health issues that have never been addressed or if they have, inadequately.

There are many other groupings within the Petty Crime fraternity.

It would be both wrong and inappropriate to simple mass stereotype all petty offenders. I would agree however that many people are just morally bankrupt, having met many of them over many years.. Yes, Alcohol and Drug addiction was a frequently recurring issue for many.. and for many, varied reasons.

I simply count myself fortunate to have had good parenting, an adequate, albeit lacking any continuity education, made reasonable choices, had good luck, continuous employment and yes, worked bl**dy hard through my life.
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You’ve raised this topic before and then brought up the fact that you also had childhood struggles and that you’ve done well for yourself.

As I said in my post further up, I too had childhood trauma and grew up poor in a rough area. I now have a good job, good husband, a nice house and nice holidays. That doesn’t mean that I condemn those that don’t. Some of us got lucky, some of managed to “deal”’with our past in a way that has allowed us to have a good future but not everyone is that fortunate and that certainly doesn’t make them weak or lazy.

Life can go always go one way or another and it’s not always down to choice. I’ll always remember where I came from and I respect those that are battling with their demons because battling with your own mind is often one of the toughest things.
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