passports and brexit

[LadyDebs86]

The uncertainty around travel post Brexit has nothing to do with passports and everything to do with the deal we eventually agree (or dont) with the EU and what that says with regards to airspace and which planes are allowed to travel where.

[WhereIBelong]

Trouble is as always "an extra bit of paper" or a European ESTA etc will take time to get. Systems will need to be in place to provide them and police them - in a very short time.

[pad406]

Originally Posted by WhereIBelong

Trouble is as always "an extra bit of paper" or a European ESTA etc will take time to get. Systems will need to be in place to provide them and police them - in a very short time.

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ETAIS is not planned for implementation till 2021 as jas72 said. It had started planning even before the vote. No effect next March from this. Possibly post 2021 though.

[nicki2014]

I’m really grateful for our passport system- we can travel most places fairly easily and I think this will remain the case. My fiancé is African and he needs a visa from the embassy of that country wherever he goes, so for example to go to Spain we would have to factor in a trip to London and the cost of the visa on top of the holiday- it makes a weekend away in Europe very costly (and time-consuming as we live in Yorkshire). I’m glad the American ones last 10 years because a lot of the others only cover one trip.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by LadyDebs86

The uncertainty around travel post Brexit has nothing to do with passports and everything to do with the deal we eventually agree (or dont) with the EU and what that says with regards to airspace and which planes are allowed to travel where.

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Plenty of non EU planes fly in EU air space. Do you seriously think that European countries are going to stop British planes / passengers flying over?

[Big Dog]

Originally Posted by Claudette

Plenty of non EU planes fly in EU air space. Do you seriously think that European countries are going to stop British planes / passengers flying over?

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No, but they can if they don't get an agreement in place with them.

[Nimbus]

Originally Posted by Claudette

Plenty of non EU planes fly in EU air space. Do you seriously think that European countries are going to stop British planes / passengers flying over?

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Those non-EU planes can fly over EU air space because they have an agreement with the EU to do so.

Hence why, if we leave the EU without an agreement, then there could be problems. Currently the EU governs UK aviation access to it's countries plus 44 other countries. Leaving the EU isn't the issue - it's not having an agreement with the EU and several other countries which could result in a problem.

Of course, it's expected that the UK and EU (and all those other countries) will come to some sort of agreement. No one wants to be stuck without being able to fly anywhere, so it's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.

The following probably best sums up the details better than I can:

bbc/news/uk-45019603

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Nimbus

Those non-EU planes can fly over EU air space because they have an agreement with the EU to do so.

Hence why, if we leave the EU without an agreement, then there could be problems. Currently the EU governs UK aviation access to it's countries plus 44 other countries. Leaving the EU isn't the issue - it's not having an agreement with the EU and several other countries which could result in a problem.

Of course, it's expected that the UK and EU (and all those other countries) will come to some sort of agreement. No one wants to be stuck without being able to fly anywhere, so it's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.

The following probably best sums up the details better than I can:

bbc/news/uk-45019603

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And why would anybody not agree to British planes flying over their airspace is my point. It will be fine, as you will see, in due course. I won’t waste my breath arguing with people determined to see the worst. I am not interested in links from the highly biased BBC!

[jas72]

There is an agreement to have a transition period to work things out. The UK insisted that Dec 2020 was the limit (which is a purely political date to keep the maddogs at bay.)

I'm sure come March 2019 there will be a basic agreement which allows talks to continue until Dec 2020. So no worries about travel or planes. (I hope as the Easter weekend falls on 29th March next year and I work in Brussels and will return home that weekend so I hope I'm right. )

Originally Posted by Claudette

I am not interested in links from the highly biased BBC!

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How is the BBC biased You need an agreement to fly there is no argument to be had, you are completely right that people will still want/need things to work but it's not wrong to say these agreements need to be in place or negotiated if part of a change in circumstances for the UK.

[Loftus]

Whener the B word raises it's ugly head we get comments along the lines of...

'But x can do y so why won't we be able to"

...apparently without the understanding that for x to do y there has been long periods of negotiations to reach agreement for x to do y.

That's not to say we won't be able to make the agreements we need to do y (or z or a or b or d etc etc), but wishing it won't make it happen.