Johnny Depp court case..

[duchy]

Originally Posted by Princess Ariel

It’s because he’s already taken the stand, they brought all that stuff up when he was cross examined by her lawyers. She hasn’t taken the stand yet so hasn’t been cross examined.

It definitely was a very toxic and destructive relationship. It’s interesting watching their reactions in court, he looks mortified and embarrassed by most of the stuff coming up (I was watching last night when they were taking about the state of the house in Australia after one of the fights) she just looks stone faced and like she wants to kill someone!

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He’s choosing to keep going back to court , isnt this the third case ? I’m not sure how much of this “victim” stuff he is projecting is acting and how much is real. His legal team will make sure he was coached to project what they want from him.
It to me just seems to be two addicts in a bad relationship , both had the means to walk away and chose not to. Neither come out of this well and it’s very sad.

[SleepingBeauty]

Originally Posted by duchy

He’s choosing to keep going back to court , isnt this the third case ? I’m not sure how much of this “victim” stuff he is projecting is acting and how much is real. His legal team will make sure he was coached to project what they want from him.
It to me just seems to be two addicts in a bad relationship , both had the means to walk away and chose not to. Neither come out of this well and it’s very sad.

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I think he was an actual victim. Of his own addictions, but certainly of her.

As for her claims of abuse, she is doing a disservice to the millions of people who are actually in horribly abusive relationships, because she herself seems as guilty as anyone of inflicting her share of physical and mental abuse. And then using an advantageous time in history (the 'Me Too' movement) to boost her claims.

[marypoppins38]

I don’t think either of them is ‘the goodie’ or ‘the baddie’ in any of this, they as bad as each other. A pair of seriously messed up individuals with more baggage than Manchester Airport on a bad day. What has become clear, is these so called celebrities live their life using a completely different moral scale to the rest of us nobodies. If ever there was a reason to steer clear of drink and drugs then these two epitomize it.

[Pumpkin Pie]

Originally Posted by marypoppins38

I don’t think either of them is ‘the goodie’ or ‘the baddie’ in any of this, they as bad as each other. A pair of seriously messed up individuals with more baggage than Manchester Airport on a bad day. What has become clear, is these so called celebrities live their life using a completely different moral scale to the rest of us nobodies. If ever there was a reason to steer clear of drink and drugs then these two epitomize it.

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I don’t usually get involved in these kind of threads as I know next to nothing about the lives of celebrities or Royals. What I do observe though for all the advantages that money, connections and fame brings they still seem to be a miserable lot on the whole (not just these two).

[marypoppins38]

Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie

I don’t usually get involved in these kind of threads as I know next to nothing about the lives of celebrities or Royals. What I do observe though for all the advantages that money, connections and fame brings they still seem to be a miserable lot on the whole (not just these two).

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Indeed. Money can buy you a lot of things, but not happiness in many of these cases. It just seems to exacerbate problems that were under the surface.

[TeeKayDawn]

Originally Posted by duchy

He’s choosing to keep going back to court , isnt this the third case ? I’m not sure how much of this “victim” stuff he is projecting is acting and how much is real. His legal team will make sure he was coached to project what they want from him.
It to me just seems to be two addicts in a bad relationship , both had the means to walk away and chose not to. Neither come out of this well and it’s very sad.

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He has gone to court to clear his name of false accusations she made.
It’s the second case, and the first (against NGN) she was only a witness in not the defendant.
This case is against her because she wrote the article.

The evidence coming out so far is extremely hard to listen to but also very damning for those who backed her based on those accusations without evidence whilst firing the man who it now seems was a victim of domestic abuse.

As for the drug use, he was trying to clean and sober in extremely difficult situations, was sober before he met her and has become sober since he left - what does that say?

But addiction does not mean either one of them deserve to be physically abused, have fingers severed, have cans thrown at their faces, be punched in the head, etc! Especially not if the reason is they are trying to escape a verbal barrage of abuse whilst trying to remain sober!

[GoldenAvalanche]

People say "oh we always side with the female victim" which is laughable, women are rarely believed, and plenty of people don't believe Amber because they like Johnny Depp's films. I have no opinion, I haven't followed it at all, but am laughing at the always siding with women comments, if that was the case maybe we wouldn't have needed the #metoo movement, or rape convictions would be higher, or we would actually DO something about domestic violence and not have declared misogyny as too large a problem to try to tackle as Boris Johnson admitted last year.

[JAF]

Originally Posted by GoldenAvalanche

People say "oh we always side with the female victim" which is laughable, women are rarely believed, and plenty of people don't believe Amber because they like Johnny Depp's films. I have no opinion, I haven't followed it at all, but am laughing at the always siding with women comments, if that was the case maybe we wouldn't have needed the #metoo movement, or rape convictions would be higher, or we would actually DO something about domestic violence and not have declared misogyny as too large a problem to try to tackle as Boris Johnson admitted last year.

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Agree we need to do something about domestic abuse BOTH male to female AND female to male which is far less talked about but did and does still occur. Both are totally unacceptable in this day and age.

[lisa12000___]

I’ve tried to stop out of this debate as i feel like this relationship was toxic all round - the only difference for me is that Johnny Depp has had his career trashed by the accusations whilst she has not.


However I do feel we need to get away from this argument of men versus Women talked about more recently on the thread . Physical abuse and violence is about power and control and that can be from males or females against the opposite sex or the same sex. Yes men are still more likely to inflict physical abuse on a woman than the other at round (the gap is narrowing) but women are more likely to influct psychological abuse - do we really have to decide on a hierarchy of what is worse? Men are still treated appallingly in terms of help for domestic violence and abuse - they are stigmatised, there are no or very few men only refuges especially for children as well, they aren’t believed as much - this needs to change. You only have to look on social media to see some of the jokes send depps way because he dared to allegedly be the victim of female violence!


Also one area of domestic abuse which isn’t talked about is abuse in same sex relationships where the physical differences aren’t as stark. - I know this isn’t relevant to this case so apologies for going off track but it is a real issue in society - and this study makes for an interesting read on the reasons why it may happen

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6113571/

[TeeKayDawn]

Originally Posted by GoldenAvalanche

People say "oh we always side with the female victim" which is laughable, women are rarely believed, and plenty of people don't believe Amber because they like Johnny Depp's films. I have no opinion, I haven't followed it at all, but am laughing at the always siding with women comments, if that was the case maybe we wouldn't have needed the #metoo movement, or rape convictions would be higher, or we would actually DO something about domestic violence and not have declared misogyny as too large a problem to try to tackle as Boris Johnson admitted last year.

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The very fact you say there are plenty of people who don’t believe Amber because they like Johnny’s films shows just how difficult this has been for him. And how female on male IPV is a taboo.

Millions of people worldwide who believed her and watched as the man was cancelled to this day from Hollywood over what is looking more and more like false accusations,

Domestic Violence charities worldwide only speak up if its a female or child being abused. To the point where there is not one refuge men can use if they are a victim.

In divorce courts and custody battles numerous studies show that females are frequently given custody even when the male is likely the better custodian. Quite often women are advised to use “DV” in order to bolster their case even when there is no real evidence.

#MeToo was good in theory but where was the campaign when Corey Feldman, Corey Haim and Brendan Fraser to use some examples complained of abuse (of the worst kind), they were mocked, made a laughing stock and also cancelled.

Things have to change but they have to change for both males and females.