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Old 29 Nov 20, 05:34 PM  
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Two local shops and institutions about to close permanently

We are on the edge of Greater Manchester but essentially a small village, adjoined by another one.
Two much loved local cafes and bakeries have just posted on our local forum that they are close to collapse and may never reopen.
They have been here for years and been a focal point for people to meet up and enjoy small local businesses.

But they have no income, nor sight of income in the forseaable future, all personal savings gone.

We are in Tier 3 but have much lower case rates than many London boroughs (Tier 2).
It feels grossly unfair and my heart is breaking for these local families who have given so much to their communities only to end up losing everything
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Old 29 Nov 20, 05:40 PM  
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It is unfair, but i just hold fast to the fact that when this is over, if there is a gap in the market it will be filled, perhaps by the same people, perhaps by new enterprise.

But where there is a gap, it will be filled.
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It's sad that a business isn't profitable enough to stay afloat, but whilst COVID is a unique situation, companies go out of business all the time.

Unless they really have gone above and beyond for the community (free meals to local homeless, large donations to civic events) then I'd be sad I couldn't shop there anymore but I would also realise they didn't 'give loads to the community' in fact all they did was sell stuff to the locals
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It beggars belief the North is not treated as equal as the South. London has higher rates than some of us in the North East but while businesses suffer and unfortunately close the south are handed a life line. So so unfair. London would not put up with it, and after reading the comments of the Mayor saying they must not close , their wish was granted.
Maybe Iím naive, but the figs should speak for themselves
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It beggars belief the North is not treated as equal as the South. London has higher rates than some of us in the North East but while businesses suffer and unfortunately close the south are handed a life line. So so unfair. London would not put up with it, and after reading the comments of the Mayor saying they must not close , their wish was granted.
Maybe Iím naive, but the figs should speak for themselves
I agree! We are in Greater Manchester so have been the hardest hit right the way through! Its so unfair that our rates are dropping and our R rate is below 1 and cases dropping where London is above 1 and cases rising!
I did read its partly because our hospitals are full and London hospitals can still cope. How true this is I don't know!
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Iím stunned by the callous nature of some replies.
These are family owned businesses, been there for years with very small profit margins. If they can open, they can survive.
They are not just shops, they are bakeries and cafes supporting local food producers, all of whom will be affected by this.
They employ local staff and many a teenager has earned their first money waiting tables there.
And yes they DO give back, sponsoring local fetes, parades, childrenís events and the scout/guide bonfire every year.
So they go bust, thatís ok apparently because someone else will come along?
Seriously?
Companies go out of business the whole time? Says someone who has probably never raised the money or spent their own money to support their business?

The only businesses left will be corporates with no local ties but the finances to ride this event.
But itís ok if your in London, because their businesses are more important I guess?
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I'm sorry to read this it's a real shame. Please don't start a North/South divide about it, I'm quite shocked by some comments too.
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It's the same all over the country though. I live in a village in Hertfordshire which had one small general store and 3 independent pubs. No bakeries or anything. That was it - 3 pubs and one general store. One of the pubs closed last month and another one is getting close to it.
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Originally Posted by Sue View Post
Iím stunned by the callous nature of some replies.
These are family owned businesses, been there for years with very small profit margins. If they can open, they can survive.
They are not just shops, they are bakeries and cafes supporting local food producers, all of whom will be affected by this.
They employ local staff and many a teenager has earned their first money waiting tables there.
And yes they DO give back, sponsoring local fetes, parades, childrenís events and the scout/guide bonfire every year.
So they go bust, thatís ok apparently because someone else will come along?
Seriously?
Companies go out of business the whole time? Says someone who has probably never raised the money or spent their own money to support their business?

The only businesses left will be corporates with no local ties but the finances to ride this event.
But itís ok if your in London, because their businesses are more important I guess?
I do hope your local businesses (and those local to me too) manage to keep open. These are not just businesses they are families with mortgages, bills etc. All we will be left with is the likes of Costa, Starbucks as you say no ties to the community.
It does feel as if London businesses are being given preferential treatment.
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Companies go out of business the whole time? Says someone who has probably never raised the money or spent their own money to support their business?
Well I guess that's the problem with shouting off your mouth (or keyboard) without knowing the facts.

We are both guilty here...

I didn't realise they had given to the community.

You assumed I had no idea about business, where as, as it happens, I've been running my own business that employs dozens locally for 15 years. I've had years were I earned less than minimum wage to be able to pay staff. So I quite resent your "callous statement"
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